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    My friend bought a 53 studibaker with a V8 automatic and he can only start it by jumping the starter solenoid. Is there some trick, or is it just a bad neutral safety switch?
    Bill
    http://www.brauchauto.com/
    Eastern Connecticut

  • #2
    Sounds like a bad (stuck) solenoid. Try giving it a tap with something hard while trying t o start it.
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    • #3
      The first thing i check for is power to the crank wire on the solenoid when trying to crank it..

      This tells me if it’s a solenoid issue or a feed issue.
      3 ~ Tudor's
      Henry Ford said
      "It's all nuts and bolts"


      Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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      • #4
        Need to look at the wiring schematic, because the solenoid might be wired like the Model A coil and horn are wired.
        That is it might have 6 volts and then get the ground through the neutral safety switch.
        Need to follow the voltage and the ground path until the fault is found, and that's why it good to have a wiring schematic.
        In fact I took my 1950 shop manual to Kinko's and had the wiring chart and the lubrication chart blown up to poster size to hang on the wall.

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        • #5
          studebaker.jpg
          3 ~ Tudor's
          Henry Ford said
          "It's all nuts and bolts"


          Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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          • #6
            studebaker1.jpg
            3 ~ Tudor's
            Henry Ford said
            "It's all nuts and bolts"


            Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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            • #7
              According to the first diagram we have a starter switch, neutral / reverse switch, and a solenoid. So i'm back to my first post of checking it at the solenoid crank wire first. Depending on what is found there the rest is pretty easy
              3 ~ Tudor's
              Henry Ford said
              "It's all nuts and bolts"


              Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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              • #8
                Hand drawn schematics..back when stuff like that was done on a table,with pride..beautiful work.

                what is an 'anti creep valve'..I can tell what it does by the name,but how does it work?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CM2 View Post
                  Hand drawn schematics..back when stuff like that was done on a table,with pride..beautiful work.

                  what is an 'anti creep valve'..I can tell what it does by the name,but how does it work?

                  Pretty cool Huh


                  AntiCreepfinal.jpg
                  3 ~ Tudor's
                  Henry Ford said
                  "It's all nuts and bolts"


                  Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CM2 View Post
                    Hand drawn schematics..back when stuff like that was done on a table,with pride..beautiful work.

                    what is an 'anti creep valve'..I can tell what it does by the name,but how does it work?
                    That switch sends a signal to the automatic to keep the car from creeping forward until the throttle is slightly pressed.
                    The wiring schematic shows overdrive and kick down wires, but I don't see anything for the automatic push button or neutral safety switch.
                    On the schematic shown, the solenoid has full time power, and gets the ground from the starter switch mounted under the clutch pedal.
                    I'll see if I have something on the automatic.
                    BTW Studebaker came out with the Borg Warner automatic during the 1950 Model year, and Ford wanted to buy rights to use it. It was a mistake for Studebaker to not sell rights to Ford, as it could sure have helped them (Studebaker) stay in business. This automatic was the first year automatic for Studebaker, and it has a lock up torque converter. That's why I just laughed when cars of the 80's were bragging about the new lock up converter for better fuel economy.

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                    • Mitch
                      Mitch commented
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                      Tom is it an electric or a centrifugal lockup converter? I would think the latter

                    • CM2
                      CM2 commented
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                      Looks like the anti creep solenoid held the brake till the throttle was blipped.. was it just an option,where you didnt have to keep your foot on the brake at a light?

                  • #11
                    My '53 Commander Coupe, with Standard Transmission, had a Factory Installed, spring loaded toggle switch in the dash, to operate the STARTER!
                    It also had a nifty HILL HOLDER System, for the Brakes!!!
                    Wish I still had it, that dude would FLY, with a Dad Installed, 322 Buick Nail Head, out of a TOTALED Highway Patrol Car !
                    With its' Light Weight, fabulous AERODYNAMICS & Overdrive, it was a LETHAL open road machine. The car lost 140 Lbs weight, after switching the Stude V-8, for the Buick V-8.
                    KDad
                    Last edited by BILL WILLIAMSON; 01-13-2018, 06:37 AM.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Mitch View Post
                      Tom is it an electric or a centrifugal lockup converter? I would think the latter
                      I believe you're right about it being hydraulic lock up. I have a Studebaker shop manual on the automatic, but can't find it right now.

                      The small terminal on the starter solenoid send the ground to engage the solenoid, so when you say "jump the solenoid", do you mean you ground this terminal, or do you use a heavy cable to jump the two large terminals?

                      If the starter works when you ground the small terminal, then go to the neutral safety switch, and see if it starts when you jump those terminals and push the starter button. It also might only need to be adjusted.

                      Last edited by Tom Wesenberg; 01-13-2018, 12:29 PM.

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                      • #13
                        You guys are great. I have sent the diagrams to my buddy.
                        Bill
                        http://www.brauchauto.com/
                        Eastern Connecticut

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