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    Thought I would start a separate thread on this since teh subject is creeping into other posts.

    Just got back from the doctors office for a checkup blood draw. While in the chair having the sample drawn started a lively discussion by asking if they were also going to check for the corona virus (was poking the bear, knew the answer was no). The following is the info they gave me.

    The situation is at this time being way overblown. It is very similar to getting the flu. If you are healthy to begin with you can get sick from it, but odds are extremely high you will recover.
    The vast majority of people who have had severe cases or have died had comprised immune systems. The; very elderly, are already sick with something else, cancer patients, etc.
    Masks are not much good at prevention, but can help with not spreading the virus if you are a carrier. I also saw this info on TV in a report a day or 2 ago.
    The vast majority of cases are from contact with the virus and then touching your face, etc. Wearing a mask can actually make things worse due to the tendency to adjust it frequently, which involves touching your face. Air borne is possible, but not the main transmitter of the virus.
    Published fatality rates once you have it are at best a guess, a lot of cases have not been reported since they are thought to be a cold or mild flu where people have recovered on their own without reporting it.

    This is the current info.

  • #2
    Read the same thing about the flu and so far between 16,000-18,000 has this year so far died from the flu. This hype/fear mongering about this Coronavirus is media made for political purposes....IMO!!!! The media should start their own political party, they would win every election by telling people/scaring people into voting for them....IMO. I don't listen to the media anymore, it's become a hateful branch of of social intercourse that are out to feck everyone ignorant to believe them....rant over!!!!!
    "Bullshit and Brilliance Comes with Age and Experience"

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    • #3
      Hi,
      For all the "accurate" and up to date facts, look at this website. It has many charts and graphs on the situation, worldwide.
      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
      I'm heading off on an international holiday on Monday, and although I'm concerned about COVID-19 it sure as heck wont stop me.
      Cheers,
      Rob
      Last edited by Rob Patterson; 03-05-2020, 03:53 PM.
      "When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it." "HENRY FORD
      1915 Ford "T" Speedster (Evangeline), 1921 Ford "T" Tourer (Anastasia), 1955 Ford Zephyr 6 (Purdey), 1975 Triumph Dolomite Sprint (Daisy), & a couple of moderns.

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      • #4
        My working buddy at work says he has the Michelobvirus. He doesn’t like the taste of Corona 😂😂😂😂

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        • #5

          Health tips for those who may have the coronavirus-19:

          > The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days.
          > How can one know if he/she is infected?
          > By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the
          > lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late.
          > Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.
          > Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If
          > you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort,
          > stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the
          > lungs, basically indicates no infection.
          > In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment
          > with clean air.
          > Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:
          > Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry.
          > Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why?
          > Even if the
          > virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash
          > them down through your throat and into the stomach.
          > Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't
          > drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe
          > and into the lungs.
          > That's very dangerous.
          > Please send and share this with family and friends.
          > Take care everyone and may the world recover from this Coronavirus soon.

          <><><><><><><><><><><>

          Albert Mehrabian, Ph.D.








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          • #6
            https://youtu.be/gDc_6KRaX6Q

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            • #7
              Thoughts on the spread and danger of this virus should not be taken lightly. Is some of the coverage political? Maybe. Is the danger to older or comprised person real? YES. Is it spreading throughout the world? Definitely. Is it coming to a neighborhood near you? You can bet on it unless you live in a remote location and have no other human contact. Will, it cost this and other countries lots of money and inconvenience? Without a doubt. Will it change the way things are done? It has already. Should you take all the warnings lightly? No way, especially if you are an old guy like me with an already compromised immune system. Should you do what you can to help stop the spread of this disease? Yes without a doubt. PAY ATTENTION AND BE CAREFUL.
              Last edited by Bobm90; 03-12-2020, 09:11 AM.
              "We are all born ignorant, but one must work very hard to remain stupid".
              - Ben Franklin

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              • #8
                n_hayes_curve_200309_1920x1080.nbcnews-fp-1200-630.jpg

                We have to "flatten the curve" . we dont take preventive measures the health systems will be overwhelmed. Then people with any medical problem, even non covid19 wont be able to get medical help.

                The number of cases probably wont be less, just spread out over time.
                The severity wont be less, deaths wont be less. but medical help will be available for your burst appendix, heart attack, stroke etc. etc.

                From a rural hospital pharmacist that saw my er get overwhelmed by a bus crash.
                http://jmodela.coffeecup.com

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                • #9
                  Keep in mind, many of us on this site are in the high risk category, or know someone who is. I'm a 70 year old diabetic cancer survivor. Believe me, I not taking ANY chances. You can call it fake news, over blown, or no big deal. That was the way Italy approached it and look at the mess that country is in. Granted, thousands die from "normal" flu every year. But you can get a shot to prevent or at lease lessen the severity. There's no shot for COVID-19 and it's anything but ordinary. Sticking ones head in the sand is no protection!

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                  • #10
                    From Today's Wall Street Journal. Some is a rehash, but some is new and is a nice summary.

                    "
                    Likely originated from Bats, Scientist say, but don't know where/how jumps to Humans. it's believed to originate from
                    a pangolin, a small mammal sold in wild-life markets and praised for it's meat and scales. Outbreak originated in a large
                    animal and seafood market Wuhan, China

                    Infects mostly bats, pigs and small mammals -- Mutates easily and can jump quickly from animals to humans

                    There are 7 strains, four causing the 'common-cold' , two causing SARS and a Middle East disease called MERS.
                    The new Coronavirus is called: Covid-19. The 19 stands for the year 2019.

                    Symptoms: Infects the lower respiratory tract, fever, cough, aches and shortness of breath lending to complications from pneumonia.
                    Others may experience fatigue, sore throat, headache, nausea with vomiting/diarrhea. Others may not get sick at all and may spread
                    their infection to others

                    Incubation Period: Two to 14 days after infected, but most start within 5 days

                    At Risk: Highest among the older with already other health conditions

                    How Deadly: Changes daily - (means they don't know?) from 2% to 3.4% World wide. Appears to be less deadly than SARS
                    and is far less deadly than MERS (or Ebola). To avoid it -- have an "Optimally Functional Immune System". Keep your Stress
                    Levels down, stress hurts the immune system

                    Exercise: BUT don't go overboard--athletes have an increased risk of infection. Plenty of sleep, vaccines up-to-date -- but
                    the last one? "Eat Plenty Of Plain Yogurt -- Like Every Day". Of course your diet, and stop the stinkin' smoking/vamping."







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                    • #11
                      Here is a link for the full info .

                      https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-we...us-11579716128

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                      • #12
                        Illinois schools are closed for two weeks because of the virus, I maybe watching grandkids!

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                        • #13
                          Same here in PA. All the malls are closing as well
                          3 ~ Tudor's
                          Henry Ford said
                          "It's all nuts and bolts"


                          Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                          • #14
                            Why the hell don't we just call it a Holiday and take the rest of the month off? Close down the whole country like China does for New Years!
                            You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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                            • #15
                              I would second that Wiz! Hugh

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                              • #16
                                What would I do with all that spare time?
                                Twiss Collector Car Parts

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                                • #17
                                  The WORLD traveler would be grounded bahhhaaaa
                                  3 ~ Tudor's
                                  Henry Ford said
                                  "It's all nuts and bolts"


                                  Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Mitch View Post
                                    The WORLD traveler would be grounded bahhhaaaa
                                    You got that right.
                                    My travel planner is freaking out.
                                    We are scheduled for Disney World in the first week of April.
                                    Our plan is to be there with both our daughters, sons in laws and both Granddaughters.
                                    Time will tell.
                                    Twiss Collector Car Parts

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                                    • #19
                                      Not to beat this subject to death but here are some thoughts on how this (and other)virus is thought to have started, a long read but shows how the ignorant actions of others in this world affect all, and some think pollution problems could be resolved, never happen with countries like China. You will have to move curser to the top of the article to read it properly.

                                      https://www.businessinsider.com/wuha...change-soon-17
                                      Last edited by Bobm90; 03-14-2020, 06:30 AM.
                                      "We are all born ignorant, but one must work very hard to remain stupid".
                                      - Ben Franklin

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                                      • #20
                                        Here is my local conditions about Walmart supplies
                                        https://www.vintagefordforum.com/for...941#post226941

                                        Wisconsin is now shutting down K-12 schools starting Wednesday.

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                                        • #21
                                          There have been over 20 reported cases in Vail, CO. That's about 125 miles east of here. This morning local news reported one case here in Mesa County for a total of 78.

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                                          • #22
                                            I remember by Late Grandmother telling me she go the Spanish Flu at 6 years old in 1918.. She said she almost did not make it... This will pass, we will learn from this and be better prepared... This means not depending on China for 90% of many of our drug . American Greed caused that problem.

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                                            • #23
                                              Don't want to close this thread so feel free to post on it. I will however nix anything that gets political. This topic can easily drift that way. If I miss something just hit the report button and it's gone
                                              3 ~ Tudor's
                                              Henry Ford said
                                              "It's all nuts and bolts"


                                              Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                                              • #24
                                                There's hope on the horizon
                                                Coronavirus: Three wise men crack the code, now to save the world

                                                Paul Young, Keith Chappell and Trent Munro at Queensland University where they are racing to develop what may be the first viable vaccine.
                                                Day by day they’re edging closer to a vaccine for COVID-19, but there can be no cutting corners, no half-measures when millions of lives are at stake. In a very real sense, these three Brisbane scientists have the weight of the world on their shoulders.
                                                Keith Chappell came up with the idea to hijack the virus’s own fearsome infectious properties with revolutionary “molecular clamp” technology, and since January he has worked around the clock with colleagues Paul Young and Trent Munro to put it into a jab to inoculate the ­population.
                                                After experimenting with 250 different formulations, they have settled on a candidate vaccine, S-Spike, and this is being tested on laboratory mice at the University of Queensland as a prelude to human trials by mid-year. There is every chance the team will be the first in the world to bring it to market.
                                                Coronavirus
                                                Wayne Smith
                                                “In terms of getting a vaccine that we think will work, we think we are already there,” said Dr Chappell, 38.
                                                “But getting a vaccine that’s available for seven billion people on the planet means … we have to move to scale, and that’s a very different proposition.
                                                “It’s all about how much risk we are willing to accept.”

                                                He stressed he was talking about commercial risk, not jeopardising the safety and efficacy of the vaccine because that was non-negotiable.
                                                Yet the scale of the unfolding crisis here and abroad calls for ­extraordinary steps to telescope into months the proving and ­development processes that typically take years for a new drug.
                                                Leveraging the experience of Professor Munro, 44, in biotech in the US, they are already negotiating with regulators, including the federal government’s Therapeutic Goods Administration and the European Medical Association, to run the gauntlet of ­approvals while the finetuning continues in their lab and at the University of Melbourne’s Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity.
                                                The UQ team met TGA officials on Friday to nut out how the dual-track approach would work.
                                                As Dr Chappell revealed, walking The Weekend Australian through their progress in the cluttered labs in the Australian Institute for Bioengineering and Nanotechnology on UQ’s St Lucia campus, the vaccine was on track to be available by the end of the year, well ahead of the timetable flagged this week by Scott Morrison when he unveiled multi-billion-dollar funding packages for research and the public health response, and to underpin a flagging economy.
                                                Paul Young, Keith Chappell and Trent Munro at UQ. Picture: Glenn Hunt
                                                Hard decisions on the rollout were pending. “Do we produce a lot of the dose already, given the results we have got?” Dr Chappell asked rhetorically. “Or do we wait until after we have shown it works in the first group of people before we move to larger scale ­production?
                                                “I think the size of this epidemic means that we need to bring manufacturing forward so that we are running the manufacture and the clinical trials in parallel so that the moment we have success in the clinic, we have doses that are ready to go.
                                                “This will allow us to provide protection for the most vulnerable people in Australia — the elderly and all the hospital workers, ­because they are going to be overrun. These are the people who ­really need this insurance policy.”
                                                Crucially, the researchers know with certainty that the vaccine works on coronavirus — not COVID-19, but its close relative, MERS, the lethal Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. With a fatality rate of 30 per cent, it is many times more dangerous than COVID-19, though thankfully far less contagious. Candidate vaccines for MERS and seasonal influenza using the molecular clamp had demonstrated powerful immune responses in animal studies before the new virus erupted out of China, said Professor Young, 64, head of UQ’s School of Chemistry and Molecular Biosciences.
                                                “It’s a tried and tested model for influenza infection and what we showed was that our vaccine completely oblates virus growth in animals that were challenged, an extremely potent response,” he said.
                                                “We don’t believe it is going to be any more complicated than with influenza, in fact it’s a little less complicated … because overall the coronaviruses don’t drift in their mutation as much as influenza does.”
                                                Like most good ideas, the concept of the molecular clamp is ­deceptively simple. A virus is no more than a packet of malevolent genetic information that has one purpose in life: to find somewhere to lodge and replicate itself.
                                                The surface of the COVID-19 virus bristles with so-called spike proteins, coiled like springs until they bind to a host cell.
                                                The technology uses an ingenious lab-created polypeptide — a sequence of amino acids — to pin the spike protein in its tortile position so the body’s immune system can target it before the virus has a chance to activate. An adjuvant, or boosting agent, is added to the vaccine to stimulate the immune response.
                                                The lightbulb lit up for Dr Chappell while he was completing post-doctoral studies in Madrid on the stabilisation of viral proteins. When he returned to UQ in 2011, where he had earned his PhD under the supervision of Professor Young, he realised that the molecular clamp could be used as a generic platform to provide immunity to different viruses, a kind of “plug and play” mechanism.
                                                In addition to flu and MERS, it has been successfully tested in the lab on some of the world’s most deadly contagions, including SARS, Ebola, respiratory syncytial virus and Nipah, a cousin of Australia’s baffling Hendra virus transmitted from bats to horses then to people.
                                                “All of these viruses have a very similar protein on the surface … assisting in the fusion of the viral membrane to the host cell membrane,” Professor Young said.
                                                “They have a similar mechanism for their underpinning and we have shown that the clamp ­approach will work equivalently in each of them. Having said that, we need to adjust and modify for each one.”
                                                The potential of the technology was recognised in 2018 by CEPI, the Oslo-based Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations that is headed by former federal health department boss Jane Halton and backed by the ­financial muscle of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
                                                It pumped $14.7m into the molecular clamp program, one of three vaccine projects worldwide to be funded. The plan was for the UQ team to conduct a “stress test” next year to show it could produce a vaccine for an emergent pandemic agent within 16 weeks.
                                                Instead, COVID-19 plunged the researchers and their augmented staff of 20 into an ­exhausting, real-world test of the fledgling technology.
                                                Vials of frozen Chinese hamster ovary cells seeded with the candidate vaccine have been sent to the CSIRO’s Clayton vaccine-making plant in Melbourne to pave the way for scaled-up production, while Big Pharma companies including Australia’s CSL-Seqirus and British multinational GlaxoSmithKline are on-board, offering their adjuvants.
                                                Another group of scientists at the Doherty Institute was plotting antibody responses to the vaccine and identifying potential human immune markers to confirm its ­effectiveness, under the partnership between the University of Melbourne, University of Queensland and the nation’s premier ­science agency.
                                                Further animal testing involving live corona­virus would be conducted at CSIRO’s Australian Animal Health Laboratory outside Geelong. The first results from the lab mice at UQ are due next week.
                                                Scientists in China, Israel and the US are also scrambling to produce a vaccine, with American company and CEPI beneficiary Moderna Therapeutics considered to be best placed to deliver. For now.
                                                While emphasising it was not a race — “we are keen for everyone to work on this and the prize is a ­viable vaccine, not who gets there first,” Professor Young said — the gains made by Moderna were early ones using a different process to target viral spike proteins with synthetic messenger RNA.
                                                “With us, having optimised the protein process, we think we are in a better stage in terms of the ­vaccine-induced immune response,” he said.
                                                Professor Munro, who had headed process development at US biotech firm Amgen before joining the UQ team last August, said the science of developing the vaccine was nearly complete, and the question was now how to get the drug into production.
                                                This would cost between $20m and $30m.
                                                “We would love to be able to do all the manufacturing here in Australia, to make the vaccine here, but that is going to be very, very difficult,” he said. “That whole sector has been eroded … even though companies like CSL-­Seqirus have great manufacturing capabilities. We would just love to see more of that.”

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                                                • #25
                                                  I was set to report for jury duty 4/1. I explained my situation to the clerk and have been re-scheduled for 10/13. Next call is to my doctor to let him know I won't be going for my semi-annual blood draw. Hospitals are full of sick people. Stay safe everyone and WASH YOUR HANDS!

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