Do all variations from the JS&RG's require variance approval of the "committee" or only those items that are listed with specific description and/or dating? Somewhere I heard that if it isn't noted in the JS&RG that it's assumed to be correct lacking documentation to the contrary. I have a 255A fine point vehicle. There is no mention of a dome light and light switch on the header. Several other 255A's I've looked at have this feature. Mine has the dome light and switch. Does this require a variance?
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Best advice I every heard was 'don't make the judge make a judgment call'. required or not I would get one. remember you will need documentation to support the variance. it was there when I bought it, and such is not documentation
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VARIANCES
A variance may be granted to any restorer when an original
feature, part or item differs from that which is described
in the Guidelines. Variances shall be submitted in writing
to the respective National Club Judging Standards
Committee at least six months prior to a National Meet.
Documentation and evidence to support a variance may
include, but not be restricted to, Ford literature, bulletins,
service letters, blueprints, engineering information and
appropriate photographs. The specific judging text and
technical feature in question should also include all
pertinent information regarding the vehicle 's history, body
style, and engine number. A variance, when granted,
will apply only for the individual vehicle for which the
variance is granted. The variance must be displayed with the
vehicle during judging.
So based on the first line "A variance may be granted to any restorer when an original feature, part or item differs from that which is described
in the Guidelines."I would say your good but if you want to be absolutely sure you could find, " Documentation and evidence to support a variance may include, but not be restricted to, Ford literature, bulletins, service letters, blueprints, engineering information and
appropriate photographs." to support your stand.Last edited by Mike V. Florida; 05-09-2017, 12:55 AM.Comment
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I guess I could submit a request and see what happens. The major problem is other than a few other 255A's that have the same dome light configuration and switch, I've not been able to find any documentation. I tried Benson Ford archives with no luck. I also wasn't able to find it in the Ford Parts List.
Thanks all, I'll keep trudging along and maybe I'll get lucky and find some acceptable proof.Comment
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Since to get a variance you need documentation and you don't have any documentation, and you are not even sure you need a variance, I would let sleeping dogs lie.Originally posted by Foxfire View Post
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Mike, I think you're right. If I wake the dog I'll surely get bit.Comment
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Brent brings up a misunderstanding that is frequently heard. "The judging standards tell how to build your car" and the correllaries "It's my car, I'll build it the way I want" , "Nobody can tell me how to build my car" and "who cares, if you knew how to have fun you would ...fill in the blank"
For fine point judging the standards are the yardstick by which your car will be measured. (standard). You can choose to follow the standard or not. Just be aware that it may reduce the points. I can choose to have my car judged ... or not. The jsc, judges,clubs and everybody are fine with that. The jsc, and fine point judges would love to have more cars in fine point, because they would like to see more Model A's restored. All would love to see more cars rebuilt to any other standard for the same reason. Pick the standard to work toward, and do it. I chose fine point. you can choose any other.
I know going in what my car will score. I will lose points on electric (repop battery), interior, and many others. I'm good with that.Comment
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Thanks all, I want so badly to get a Henry. To get the most I can get I feel I have to address obtaining a variance. Every point counts when you get into the upper 400's. Who knows, the variance could be just the saved point I needed.Comment
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Barb how many Henry's do u have now? your fleet of cars are just magnificent
I have seen the pictures.
maybe you can post them up on the photo of your car thread in the main section.
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Jim is correct,...Marco gave me the same information..Originally posted by Jim Mason View Post
I thought I would need one for this part off my mid-28 frame,...Marco said "no,..it will just confuse them", AND it's not needed..You do not have permission to view this gallery.
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While I plan to have the delivery judged once before I make transmission and carburetor change I do not want to live with brown interior even for judging. I guesse I will eat those points for color. Will do my best to make sure materials used are as close as possible. Is anyone making the rear floor mats for the 130-A? Rod"Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good." Thomas SowellComment
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What is that part?Originally posted by d.j. moordigian View Post
I don't recall anything like that on my 9-23-28 Phaeton frame.Comment
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It is the rest for dog bone for the multiple piece brake cross shaft. Some frames had this made into the center crossmember others had this piece bolted to the crossmember. Rod"Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good." Thomas SowellComment
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Yours may have ears that were part of the crossmember. I do not have pic's of either style any more. Rod"Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good." Thomas SowellComment
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On most of the frames, there was 2 tabs that were "punched inward" for stops for the 3 piece brakes,..to stop the arms from going back to far. Ford
stopped it for a VERY short time( I think the "dog bone" would fall out,..best guess), then realized it was necessary and used this part BEFORE the
old center cross member was brought back on line..
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Somewhat confused as to which dome light switch and bezel is correct for my April 1929 130-A Deluxe Delivery. Can someone shed some light on which version is correct. Thanks Rod08-02-2017, 08:24 AM -
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