My first post , I am looking for some information on how to duplicate the raven finish for fine point . Any suggestions? All help appreciated . Thanks , Norm
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PRESTO BLACK" call these people here, you dip in and let it sit and then run clear water over it. and works PERFECT< make sure you spray with sating clear to keep the finish...We all is this all the time or send them out to have them coated in black oxide. Neither is cheap....Originally posted by Norm View PostYou do not have permission to view this gallery.
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you can see the raven finish on the engine bolts timing cover here
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Can you clean up with a wire wheel or sand blast and then just paint this solution on? Thanks for the information !Comment
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I use G-96 gun blueing that I found on ebay. It did a great job on my barn fresh rusty rifle. Just put a small rag over the bottle, tip it upside down to wet the cloth, then wipe it on the parts. The parts must be clean and dry, and I heated the parts with my Milwaukee heat gun, though I don't know if that is needed. After rubbing the part with the blueing for a couple minutes, I wipe it dry, then wipe it with ATF. Three years later my gun still looks great.
If you use a clear spray on bolts, be sure to use satin so it looks natural, and not too shiny.Comment
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Mark , I have all the original bolts nuts ect off the car so I will clean them up on a wire wheel . I already soaked them in evaporust but will still have to clean some more . I like the look of the Birchwood product although I have not tried Yom wessenberg's idea . Thanks , NormComment
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Sorry Tom , My typing is not to good .Comment
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$52.40 a quart plus shipping. Don't seem to be able to find the stuff that Mark used in is award winning restoration in quanities less than a quart. Presto Black® BST4 Brush-On LiquidOriginally posted by Norm View Post
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You can click on "EDIT" to make corrections. I have to do it quite often to correct a wrong key stroke, when I find it after posting.Originally posted by Norm View PostLast edited by Tom Wesenberg; 10-01-2017, 06:38 PM.Comment
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Going to order some Monday . I will probably have enough left over for a few more lifetimes ?Comment
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Where are you located maybe someone near you will split the cost.Originally posted by Norm View Post
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I must have a bad bottle of the Birchwood Casey gun blue because it didn't work for me, but I have seen excellent results on a club member's homemade tools.
Guess I'll have to buy some more and give it another try.Comment
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I have a quart coming , and I will try and post some photos of the completed bolts and nuts . Thanks everyone for the information . NormComment
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Here are some photos of the bolts , nuts , and washers . I used the Birchwood presto black with satin clear over . I like the look . I hope it holds up for a year or two . Thanks Mark ans everone for the tips . NormYou do not have permission to view this gallery.
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So is this hardware that most of the vendors sell not correct for 1929 and older? I'm confused...
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The book that you have (Standard Hardware ) is a reference book . It is compiled from original Model A Parts books . The only place that has some bolts and nuts that are close is Roy Nacewicz Enterprises in Allen Park , Michigan although some of the suppliers have bolt and nut kits they will not pass fine point judging . What I am showing are some original fasteners that were rusty but not badly pitted that I cleaned up and put a new raven finish on them . The photos only show some of the fasteners that I have finished . For those that are not into fine point I would suggest that when you restore your car and are going to use all new bolts nuts ect save the good stuff as someone is always looking for the original . NormComment
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So I am sorting out nuts and bolts for building an engine. I have been hand cleaning them with a wire brush since they are supposed to be unfinished. I have been giving them a quick coat of semi gloss clear. I have a blast booth and can go that way, but a lot of the greasy lighty rusted engine bolts tend to have the original machinging marks and I would like to keep them. No, I am not doing a points...11-07-2017, 10:47 AM -
We are planning on using "PRESTO BLACK® BST4 Brush-On Liquid" to obtain our black oxide coating for the nuts and bolts. From researching VFF forums, we see we need to bead blast for Cadmium to obtain the proper luster. Our question is, "What method of cleaning would be recommended for black oxide".02-19-2021, 03:04 PM -
I am restoring a '30 Coupe. No plans to make it a fine point car or anything, but I like the look of some of the unfinished fasteners, particularly in the Engine Compartment. The contrast adds to the look. I have read that some restorers put a clear coat on these fasteners to protect them from rusting. Since the job of doing that is somewhat painstaking, I was curious as to whether anyone can share...03-09-2018, 10:52 AM -
What is the best process to duplicate raven finish? I’m looking for something I can apply after assembling to closely resemble raven that I can apply with maybe an airbrush. My rear bumper bracket hardware was replaced at some time and I haven’t been able to find original hardware. I’m ok with reproduction beings it’s a driving car, but I’d like to find something that closely resembles raven....03-26-2020, 02:30 PM -
If I recall, the raven finish recipe is get the bolt head hot and quench in used motor oil. How hot? Red?...10-01-2020, 06:35 PM -
There are a few items on the A that were protected by the process called Japan Black or Japanning. The Guidelines say the parts were dull but from what I have read and seen about the process, the results were far from dull.
So here are the questions, has anyone used the process? How glossy did it come out? Did you have it judged and what was the point result?
Here is a formula...02-17-2019, 03:21 PM -
I have the Standard Hardware booklet Mick Isbell wrote. It has a lot of useful information about fastener sizes and their correct finishes. However, I can't find any information concerning the finish of the bolts and washers that secure the rear spare tire bracket to the body. Maybe I missed it in the booklet, but I looked through it twice. The top bolt is installed from the inside, so its finish...07-24-2018, 09:28 AM -
I posted a message here on VFF a few weeks ago about the correct finish for the two bolts that secure the spare tire tire bracket (rear mounted). It seems like the proper finish was gloss black, except for possibly some very early cars like Gary Karr's coupe, from the responses to the post I made. Now I have another question about bolts finishes. The bolts I am concerned about the finish are the...03-01-2020, 05:32 PM
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I could find the finish for the bolts that hold the rear fender bracket to the body, (31 Tudor) it is gloss black, I could not find the finish for the lockwashers. Raven or gloss black, or unfinished.
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