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  • Leaky early Gemmer two tooth

    My car is a February '29 Tudor with a Gemmer two tooth steering gear. I believe this is an early version of the two tooth. The free play is not too bad and so I really don't have any plans for a rebuild, plus I have read that the races and bearings are different than the parts currently available that are made for the later models. (Correct me if I am wrong). The question is if there is a relatively easy way to seal the end. It seems to be leaking mostly from the very end and hardly at all around the sector shaft.

    Thanks,

  • #2
    There's a tube that goes in the end of the box that may work for you.
    Another alternative is to fill the box with PenRite steering box lube...........NO leaky.
    Paul in CT

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    • #3
      Bratton sells the tube Paul is referring to. It replaces the lower plate that the light switch retainer bail connects to.

      https://www.brattons.com/2-tooth-ste...end-plate.html
      Bill
      http://www.brauchauto.com/
      Eastern Connecticut

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      • #4
        To help seal the sector shaft there is also an O-ring and thin flat washer. Grease the O-ring and slip it on the sector shaft, then the flat washer, then install the steering box through the frame. I've installed a couple of these for customers years ago, and they worked as they should.

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        • #5
          Here is another leak point. Make sure it’s not running down to the bottom from this location.



          https://www.vintagefordforum.com/for...=2450#post2450
          3 ~ Tudor's
          Henry Ford said
          "It's all nuts and bolts"


          Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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          • #6
            I've put the tube in 4 of my A's. No complaints. Jeff
            Twiss Collector Car Parts

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            • #7
              We've found the cork gasket between the housing sections is sometimes missing or deteriorated, etc. Sometimes add a little teflon paste thread sealer on the sector adjustment screw with the washer Mitch shows.

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              • #8
                Back in the 80ts I took a 1/4 inch thick plate bored it to fit the shaft put a chamfer for a O ring. drilled two holes for for the mounting bolts. worked real well.
                O rings should have about .008 squeeze grease it good.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tom Wesenberg View Post
                  To help seal the sector shaft there is also an O-ring and thin flat washer. Grease the O-ring and slip it on the sector shaft, then the flat washer, then install the steering box through the frame. I've installed a couple of these for customers years ago, and they worked as they should.
                  So it sounds like this O ring and flat washer are both external to the box? Just remove the box, install the ring and washer to the shaft and bolt back in? I think I can handle that.


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                  • Dennis
                    Dennis commented
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                    Yes but read George's post #8. He used a plate that he drilled holes instead of a washer. You need something behind the ears of the steering box or it's possible to break the ears off when you tighten it.

                • #10
                  Originally posted by 2manycars View Post
                  Bratton sells the tube Paul is referring to. It replaces the lower plate that the light switch retainer bail connects to.

                  https://www.brattons.com/2-tooth-ste...end-plate.html
                  Thank you both!

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                  • #11
                    My washer looks crude but it works. I welded a couple of washers the same thickness as the washer in the middle so it wouldn't bend or break the ears on the steering box.

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                    • #12
                      The washer may work, but you need it to be tight to the shaft, plus you need a chamfered to put the right pressure on the O ring. And yes you need to support the ears of the steering box. We used all kinds of O rings in the cylinder manufacturing business.
                      Last edited by George Miller; 07-12-2018, 08:30 AM.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Tom Wesenberg View Post
                        To help seal the sector shaft there is also an O-ring and thin flat washer. Grease the O-ring and slip it on the sector shaft, then the flat washer, then install the steering box through the frame. I've installed a couple of these for customers years ago, and they worked as they should.
                        Mitch, what is the part# for the o ring and flat washer that you use?

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by old31 View Post

                          Mitch, what is the part# for the o ring and flat washer that you use?
                          Check out this technical thread. I had many leak from the sector adjusting nut. This is my fix, it's just a rubber / metal washer. The post you quoted Tom is for the box to the frame

                          https://www.vintagefordforum.com/for...=2450#post2450

                          3 ~ Tudor's
                          Henry Ford said
                          "It's all nuts and bolts"


                          Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                          • #15
                            BTW, not to hijack your thread but
                            Look at all the Related Steering Topics below. That feature is working real nice. I can increase the amount of returns that it shows to more than 6
                            3 ~ Tudor's
                            Henry Ford said
                            "It's all nuts and bolts"


                            Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                            • #16
                              Yes I saw that rubber washer and ordered it from Amazon. But I was not sure that is that what you use for the end of the shaft to the frame?

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                              • #17
                                Here ya go
                                https://www.brattons.com/2-tooth-ste...asket-set.html
                                3 ~ Tudor's
                                Henry Ford said
                                "It's all nuts and bolts"


                                Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                                • #18
                                  Thanks Mitch.

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                                  • #19
                                    Some folks prefer the original (bronze) bushings vs. the needle bearings, the latter may leak more without the added seals. Have had both and found the neoprene to wear down. My late 2 tooth has a grease fitting added at the sector shaft . I also saw one box that used the thread style graphite waterpump packing wrapped around the sector at the frame and compressed, though haven't tried that.

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                                    • #20
                                      Are you installing the o ring with a little oil or would Permatex 2 be better?

                                      https://www.brattons.com/2-tooth-ste...asket-set.html

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                                      • #21
                                        It's usually good practice lube an o-ring with the appropriate lubricant for the situation. On this i’ll use chassis grease, just a tad on it to keep it slippery.
                                        Example
                                        On an a/c system i'll lube the o-ring with compressor oil.
                                        If you did use permatex it would probably be fine but I never have. As usual there are many ways and methods to skin a cat.
                                        3 ~ Tudor's
                                        Henry Ford said
                                        "It's all nuts and bolts"


                                        Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                                        • #22
                                          OK, if you use oil than oil it is. I’m not looking for a new way to skin a dead cat.

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                                          • Mitch
                                            Mitch commented
                                            Editing a comment
                                            reread, I wrote grease, but oil will work

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