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  • Some of the Dumbest Misinformation is found on the Model-A social media sites!!

    Geez, some of these recommendations that those social media 'gurus' make about Model-As are absolutely absurd. Just this morning, one guy (-who claimed he has been restoring Model-As since the 60s) stated that the Model-A was only designed to have a top-speed of around 30 mph. Then he began arguing with me to the point of suggesting that Ford's sales literature was incorrect regarding 55-65 mph.


    Next, a list gets compiled by someone suggesting all the parts that should be carried by each Model-A driving to the national meet in Branson. After reading, -then re-reading the list, I found it to be unbelievable that an experienced someone would even be suggesting this! I have posted it below for you all to read too as I know many of you do not frequent these social media sites. Can you imagine someone in 1931 or '32 with a 5,000 mile Model-A being given that list by their mechanic as things they should take before they leave on a 500 mile trip across the country?? To me, if you are that worried about those items failing on your trip, then restore what is on the car in your garage BEFORE you leave home, --and don't just try to restore your Model-A on the side of the road where you are a potential safety risk to yourself or someone else!! Take a moment and go open that list and have a read before you finish reading this.


    Scanning down that list, notice it tells you to bring along a ready to use Distributor. What in the hell can possibly go wrong with a correctly rebuilt distributor that someone now needs to bring along another "ready to use" distributor as a spare? The same thing applies with extra hoses, hose clamps, an extra steel fuel line, a fan belt, a coil wire, an ignition switch, ....on & on!! My Gosh, the radiator hoses are not under pressure, so unless they are 20 years old, even if they did split and cause a leak, they can be wrapped with duct tape or electrical tape to repair it enough to complete the trip with minimal leakages. Even more to the point, if the hoses and clamps are old & deteriorated, doesn't it seem logical that these should be replaced in your garage before you leave on the trip? An extra Coil Wire?? Do these things actually fail???

    An extra Ignition Switch?? REALLY?? If in the most absolute freakish way that an original switch ever shorted out or just quit working, a piece of insulated wire used in its place will reliably get you there and home. If nothing else, it will get you to a safe place where you can disassemble the original switch and see what is wrong. Also, did you see where this list recommends bringing a spare Starter Switch? A Starter Switch?? What goes wrong with a Starter Switch that cannot be repaired? You have a copper buss bar and an insulator. Duct or electrical tape will repair the insulator, and some emory paper will re-polish the copper to remove any pits from arcing. If someone is in a hurry and their starter switch fails, roll-starting or using a hand crank seems like the fastest way to be on your way. Not digging under the seat for a spare starter switch, trying to replace it on the side of the road while keeping up with the tiny screws & washers.

    Then we get to suggested items such as a Spring Shackles? No mention of bringing a spring spreader along, so I guess that one will be dead-weight toting it along just for bragging rights to your buddies that you have one with you!! Then with the mention of spark plug connectors, fan nut, head nuts, brake spring assortment, etc., it sounds like this list was made by a parts salesman trying to sell parts. I cannot help but shake my head in disbelief that someone who claims to be an experienced Model-A restorer would even come up with such suggestions. God help us, and the future of our hobby!!

    Folks, maybe I am totally off-base but if you 'buy into' feeling that you are going to potentially need many of these items just to make a trip in your restored Model-A, then I would think you need to carefully reconsider whether your Model-A is worthy enough to make a trip like that. The two most valuable suggestions that I saw on that list is the MARC and MAFCA roster. In my opinion, it is highly unlikely that you will ever be in a location where a MARC or MAFCA member cannot come to your rescue should you finding yourself needing many of those other items on that list. I sure would like to hear other people's thoughts on this.

    .


    Touring List of Supplies.pdf


  • #2
    As a driver and not a mechanic, I make sure I have my AAA Platinum Membership card, I do take along an extra babe though in case the original wears out!!!
    "Bullshit and Brilliance Comes with Age and Experience"

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    • George Miller
      George Miller commented
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      That is a better idea.

  • #3
    I guess they can not trouble shoot so they just keep changing parts until it runs. I think I do have a condenser under the seat, but not sure. I like to fix my car at home not with 20 people watching. Fix it before you leave, they are reliable.

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    • #4
      OMG!
      They better tow than drive
      They wouldn’t need all that stuff if they purchased from Brattons!
      Plug :-)
      Last edited by Big hammer; 05-16-2018, 11:55 AM.

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      • Bobm90
        Bobm90 commented
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        The guy that made the list may work for Brattons.

      • Swastler
        Swastler commented
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        Sorry bobm90, no way in hell anyone ‘working’ at Brattons made that list, Macs likely

    • #5
      Those so called Guru's had me scared to death 12yrs ago when I was just finishing my first restoration.According to them at least 2 breakdowns will happen per year that will leave me stranded along the road.I carried a lot of spare parts even though I had a freshly restored Model A.

      The second year took about half the parts and put them on the shelf.Third year ( yes I'm a slow learner ) no parts just some tools for simple repairs or adjustments.And for the last 10yrs that is all I carry rather its 10 miles of 100 miles.Lesson learned.

      Excellent Post Brent. I did go to the other site and holy crap...................

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      • #6
        One of the DVD's that was put out by Double D Productions, 'Trouble Shooting the Model A' or something to that effect, was interesting and helpful in their repairs.

        But at the end of the video as I recall, they had a listing of what parts you need to take with you while driving the Model A Ford. It was a lot of stuff. Kinda like what Brent is talking about.

        I can see a spare condensor, pliers, 9/16th-1/2 inch combo wrench plus a few other basic tools, maybe a headlite bulb and a taillite bulb, small stuff in a small bag stuffed under the front seat. In all the years (since 1971) I've been fooling with Model A's I only recall one time I changed a condensor along the side of the road. Luckily I've never even had a flat tire. That extra spare parts list is enough to scare you away from driving your Model A just about anywhere. I thought to myself, after watching that DVD, 'Geez I've been taking an awful chance'!

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        • #7
          Here is the PDF list that Brent linked above:
          Some folks have a hard time opening them

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          2 1930 Tudors

          Henry Ford said
          "It's all nuts and bolts"


          Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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          • SeaSlugs
            SeaSlugs commented
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            mmm yes those pesky tie rod springs just dissapearing!

          • Ray Horton
            Ray Horton commented
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            He left out wheel base grease. I never leave home without it. And there was no mention of a left-handed monkey wrench, always a must-have in emergencies.The guy was obviously talking through his hat.
            Last edited by Ray Horton; 05-16-2018, 09:31 PM.

          • Mitch
            Mitch commented
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            Only 1 Quart of oil and no head gasket LOL

          • Mike V. Florida
            Mike V. Florida commented
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            Just tow another A!

        • #8
          Brent if you need that much stuff to drive a model a I sure was living dangerous driving a model t everywhere without that, guess I am lucky should go get a lottery ticket.

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          • #9
            They forgot a radiator. I assume if you need the extra 2 blade fan you are probably going to also need a radiator.

            Bob

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            • BNCHIEF
              BNCHIEF commented
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              Also maybe a hood and matching touch-up paint.

          • #10
            more verbal diarrhea from the armchair mechanics

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            • #11
              Originally posted by tbirdtbird View Post
              more verbal diarrhea from the armchair mechanics
              Ironically there is a 'ring leader' on a couple of those social media sites that always seems to chime in about how many of 'such & such' items he has restored, and how he has those parts in-stock. Someone can mention something like "I see Brattons offers two different sector bearings, -a bushing or needle bearing ....", and he will undoubtedly brag that he has rebuilt 22 Model-A steering gear boxes just this year alone and that how he recommends only using the needle bearings which he has those in stock. It's like Geez Dude, I was only asking because I have never seen them in the catalog before. Someone else will ask has anyone ever restored an Ammeter, and invariably he will respond back with something like 'You are better-off to buy a new Ammeter from me so you will have all new parts", ...and he will tell you he has them for sale and sells XX amount of them a year. I dread the day when he finds out about The VFF and starts that krap over here.

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              • Mitch
                Mitch commented
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                Send him over
                We'll take him to school

              • Larrys40
                Larrys40 commented
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                I love that one !!! You guys will eat him alive !
                Larry

              • Jeff/Illinois
                Jeff/Illinois commented
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                That full auto cat is funny! He'll do the trick!

              • Captndan
                Captndan commented
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                Sure glad we have you riding fence Brett.

              • Mike V. Florida
                Mike V. Florida commented
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                I love him! (do we have a vomit emoje?) He has done more to hurt the hobby then anyone! I would tow my car home before I would buy anything he has for sale. I'm glad you mentioned ammeters, he insists that Model A's used the same ammeter as T's.

            • #12
              It's seems ford consider just under 3000 as the model a red line. 2500 would be a comfortable rpm, calculate mph from there

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              jmodela.coffeecup

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              • BRENT in 10-uh-C
                BRENT in 10-uh-C commented
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                So where are we seeing the 3,000 RPM 'redline'?? Am I missing it??

              • Jim Mason
                Jim Mason commented
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                Not that they set a red line, just stopped test (or reporting) just under 3000

            • #13
              Brent is that the MARC facebook?? or a different one
              2 1930 Tudors

              Henry Ford said
              "It's all nuts and bolts"


              Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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              • BRENT in 10-uh-C
                BRENT in 10-uh-C commented
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                It started out on the Restorers Facebook page but was shared onto the MAFCA page which is where much of the foolish comments were made. There are some comments that were posted on the MARC page that will make you shake your head too. One comment I read was where one guy recommended that everyone use the plastic 6-blade fan. Mark responded and told him the 6-blade plastic fans were not needed, and they were not without balance issues. He then responded well the plastic fans needed to be trimmed and balanced. Then someone offered this advice; "We have a original 4 blade on our 29.. between the rivets we had it drilled and used 3/16 high tensile bolts.loktite and nuts peenned" to which someone then followed up by saying they installed a 6-blade on their car because it is a Driver and not a points car. These threads are just like the Energizer Bunny in that they just keep going and going, ....with common sense seemingly thrown out the window.

            • #14
              I have been driving Model A's since about 1960 first one was a special coupe. I can only remember 2 break downs. One was a bad wire connection just before getting on big mack the bridge between lower much and upper much. One other time I had a condenser go bad close to home. O and there was one more time. when I started using the inserts that are now available. It spun the rear insert, after that I found out how to keep that from happing.

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              • #15
                Brent , I totally agree. Outside of taking a long distance haul I don’t even worry about taking spares anymore or for most trips and don’t take much in tools except for the original tool bag ford supplied.

                I concur cars should be restored and fixed in The garage at home and not on the road.
                Larry

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                • BNCHIEF
                  BNCHIEF commented
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                  I fix spare distributors at Larry's late at night when everyone else is asleep

                • Jeff/Illinois
                  Jeff/Illinois commented
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                  BNCHIEF does that make you the distributor fairy??!!

                • BNCHIEF
                  BNCHIEF commented
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                  Not quite Jeff I do not leave money, as for the fairy part I would have to take lessons.

              • #16
                A fine example of why I do not use facebook, or tweeter, or instantgram, or any of that other drivel that is filled with idiots. Years ago, a really experienced mechanic and model A specialist told me "dont listen to the "experts". YOU are the expert".
                Bill
                http://www.brauchauto.com/

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                • #17
                  If everyone carried THAT MUCH stuff, the Suppliers would make a BUNDLE!!!
                  Dad Pliersandwire

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                  • #18
                    I'm not a seasoned veteran in the Model A world. I haven't read this whole string and I hope someone already addressed this but my thoughts are as follows:

                    #1 Where would you sit if you packed that much stuff?
                    #2 What must that load weigh?
                    #3 Why extra parts for others? Just share from the raft of stuff you already packed!
                    #4 6 foot 2x4???????
                    #5 The best supply/tool on the list is MARC/MAFCA Roster so you can call for assistance when you break down from carrying that huge load of stuff.

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                    • EarlyBert
                      EarlyBert commented
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                      Ooops. I reread the list & that 2-b-fer is only 6 inches.

                  • #19
                    Originally posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C View Post

                    Ironically there is a 'ring leader' on a couple of those social media sites that always seems to chime in about how many of 'such & such' items he has restored, and how he has those parts in-stock.
                    It's not me, I try to stay off those kind of sites regardless of all the experience I've had.

                    "Bullshit and Brilliance Comes with Age and Experience"

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                    • BRENT in 10-uh-C
                      BRENT in 10-uh-C commented
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                      Nah, this kid calls himself a 'medic' for a Model-A, and he is supposedly a graduate of McPherson College with a Restoration Degree, so apparently his knowledge out-trumps all others who have earned their degree by hours of archive research and years of hands-on experience.

                    • Mitch
                      Mitch commented
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                      I don't see a "Medic" in our database... WHHEEW

                      If he shows we can transfer him

                    • Apple Green Wheels Rule
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                      He can call himself Kid Medic if he wants, if he starts selling Grit, his arse is MINE!!!!!!!!!! I graduated from Heartbreak Ridge!!!!

                  • #20
                    Yea most of its all overkill. All I plan to carry is one of those magnetic harbor freight LED lights ( blue pill shaped thing) one of their 6 in 1 screwdrivers (2 phillips, 2 flats, 1/4" nut driver and 5/16 nut driver in one tool), pair of basic needle nose pliers, crescent wrench big enough to get plugs out, spare fuses, and a phone and AAA. Maybe a 3 ft 12ga wire with alligator clips to do some bypassing haha. Roster and electrical schematic folded up wouldn't be bad either - the rest should be good to go if properly restored. Might seem like alot of tools but theres plenty of rural areas around me that have spotty to no cell signal. With some MacGyuver skills and scrounge around any ditch for supplies I should be able to limp it somewhere if not home. The model A doesnt need a fan or water pump once its up to cruising speed and can go for many hours on battery alone. Plug gap is thickness of a dime, points gap is a business card folded in half (business card roughly .011" so x2) so just in case the points decide to close up from block wear or holddown screw gets loose there ya go.

                    Clean the rust out of the tank, make sure you have a properly rebuilt carb that doesn't leak, make sure you have a clean cooling system and that solves 90% of model A issues it seems haha. The rest is poor wiring.

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                    • #21
                      Originally posted by EarlyBert View Post
                      The best supply/tool on the list is MARC/MAFCA Roster so you can call for assistance when you break down from carrying that huge load of stuff.
                      Or just get on the VFF and put out a

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                      2 1930 Tudors

                      Henry Ford said
                      "It's all nuts and bolts"


                      Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                      • EarlyBert
                        EarlyBert commented
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                        I like it!

                      • BNCHIEF
                        BNCHIEF commented
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                        I will just call Mucker he knows everybody.

                    • #22
                      Let me comtemplate this for a moment. Heading for National Tour. Him in the driver seat of 'le coupe, mama in the paseenger seat, grandkids in the rumble seat, three of four (depends on how many girl grandkids) tied to the top. Now where are we gonna put all dem tools. Maybe, gotta build a Model A trailer juz for tools. ken

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                      • #23
                        I guess what causes me to shake my head the most is how gullible social-media people are. There are these people that seemingly blurt-out answers to questions, ...yet their answers are not even close to being accurate. If you question these people on their answer, you typically get some BS answer back, -or they just don't respond at all. It is beyond pathetic reading that format, ...and these are people that own Model-As that seemingly are the future of the hobby. Then you have someone like Mark Maron trying to post accurate pictures of what to look for or info from the Stds, and these participants are slinging out comments that are not even close to accurate all the time knowing they are boldface lying about what they saying while trying to convince you into believing they know what's going on. What I find that is unusual is this same behavior is not found on the other social media pages like the HCCA page, the early Chevrolet page, the AACA page, the Machinist forums, and such. Seemingly just on the Model-A pages.

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                        • Mike V. Florida
                          Mike V. Florida commented
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                          And they swear that the ONLY correct answer is theirs.

                      • #24
                        Yeah and it has been said, that Model A Ford people are 'cranky' maybe that explains some of this!!

                        One important tool left out is the BFH.

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                        • BRENT in 10-uh-C
                          BRENT in 10-uh-C commented
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                          Jeff, I remember back in the 60's & 70's, the Model-A clubs were often kinda snooty towards a Model-A owner whose car was not that authentic. They were taking to heart that club motto about the preservation and restoration of a 1928-31 Model-A as they were originally manufactured. I remember a man in the Houston club that had a mauve-colored Coupe with yellow-colored 16" wheels that was secretly dissed for having that paint scheme. I was probably 7 or 8 y.o. when I repeated what the grown-ups were saying behind his back however the man's wife heard me say it thus earning me a good whoopin' from my Dad after Mom made a big deal out of it.

                          I think the bigger difference today is the lack of respect and deceit that is rampant on these social media sites. It seems to me like these posters will offer advice all the time knowing they have never done what they are suggesting, and have no real knowledge on the process. The other forum that ends with 'barn seems to have some of that issue, but not on the same grandioso scale as Facebook. Probably just a matter of time though....
                          Last edited by BRENT in 10-uh-C; 05-16-2018, 05:40 PM.

                      • #25
                        He meant strobe Flathead V8 distributors on the Ford Hester Stroboscope

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                        • BNCHIEF
                          BNCHIEF commented
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                          That was a session I enjoyed very much and learned a lot from not to mention those machines are very cool.

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