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And in what configuration did Henry bend them?3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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CM2,
UR you ticked off cuz you BROKE a FINGERNAIL??
I once got evicted from a CAVE, fur makin' fun about the PROPER way to BEND them, according to Henry Ford!! (SPARE ME-LOL)
SA Dad
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Fine point,another way to say your just a little bit better than the rest..when they were knocking out 9000 a day I dont think anyone was checking the bend on the cotter pins..why I bet if you could go back in time and grab one off the line the grand poobahs of judgery would turn their nose up at it..
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Could this be why there are so many cars on the road with them missing3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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Here is how i bend them on an A except for the wheel bearings. I do the bearings the same as modern cars. Cut one straight then fold the other over top of the stud.
3291389A-E217-4FAC-ABBF-5CDB028C9A22.jpeg0EE9E87C-3B34-4DC9-BAEA-659D7AA5237E.jpeg3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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I buy the cotter pin kit from the vendors, just recently again from Bratton's. They are less expensive that way and a sheet included for what size and location for most. (Mitch, no flyer in the box this time...what's up with that?) I never reuse a cotter pin and new installed each time. There are a couple exceptions how I bend them, such as the driveshaft on the pinion gear. I always bend those toward the gear and not over the shaft.
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I hate to dig the old rusty ones out. I started breaking the ends off and impacting the nut. Shears them right off. Right now I am taking loose every cotter pin Henry installed.
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Mitch, Like your photos, but you need to study un-molested, original cars for the correct answers.
The longer I'm in this hobby (50 years) the more I realize how much we under estimate the talent that built these cars and over estimate our own abilities.
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Snyders carries the good ones in stainless steel. Used them on my 1930 CCPU. A little harder to bend, but won't rust.
I have seen them with the longer leg bent down 90 degres and the top short one bent completely backwards. Looked nice.. Don't know id Henry did them like that.
Larry Jenkins____________________
Good enough.. Isn't.
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On the connecting rods in the engine. if they are not put in like original they will end up in the oil pan. I always bend both legs tight to the nut. To pull them use your side cutters on the round part, then roll your side cutters. They will come right out. Just squeeze just enough to hold, but not cut them. Works for me.
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Ford had ramped up A production once the kinks were out of the design,by the middle of '29 they were producing 9000 cars a day. Ford employed a time management system to maintain and increase productivity,they ran time studies on every facet of production.Floor foremen were responsible for his crew of ten or twenty men to meet those constraints, its doubtful they had an appearance standard for cotter pins,more than likely they had a allotted time to install them.Product quality was maintained through inspection. Chassis and engine compartment appearance didn't have to pass a styling department overview till the 1950's.
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Old Jaguars were great for throwing off ends of rod nut cotter keys. "Somehow" they would make it through the coarse oil screen, then through the oil pump & end up STUCK under the oil pressure relief valve. The result was LOW oil pressure readings. The valve was accessible from the side of the engine, near the oil filter.
I've told you before, I've run into a LOTS of WEIRD things in my 35 year career!
Dad Strange
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Here is how I do the Axles only and moderns.
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"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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