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  • Cotter pins

    I hate'em,especially the good ones

  • #2
    And in what configuration did Henry bend them?
    4~ Tudor's
    1~ Coupe

    Henry Ford said,
    "It's all nuts and bolts"


    Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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    • #3
      Don't rightfully know,but his use of them has me bent,Ill grant you that

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      • BILL WILLIAMSON
        BILL WILLIAMSON commented
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        CM2,
        UR you ticked off cuz you BROKE a FINGERNAIL??
        I once got evicted from a CAVE, fur makin' fun about the PROPER way to BEND them, according to Henry Ford!! (SPARE ME-LOL)
        SA Dad

      • CM2
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        Fine point,another way to say your just a little bit better than the rest..when they were knocking out 9000 a day I dont think anyone was checking the bend on the cotter pins..why I bet if you could go back in time and grab one off the line the grand poobahs of judgery would turn their nose up at it..

    • #4
      I sure agree, some can be a royal PITA.

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      • #5
        The ebrake actuating lever,the last guy used nuclear grade,precision fit ones

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        • #6
          Could this be why there are so many cars on the road with them missing
          4~ Tudor's
          1~ Coupe

          Henry Ford said,
          "It's all nuts and bolts"


          Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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          • #7
            I'm welding everything,and what I cant reach I'll mushroom..;.actually I'm going to use a nail,I love finding nails instead of cotter pins

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            • #8
              Here is how i bend them on an A except for the wheel bearings. I do the bearings the same as modern cars. Cut one straight then fold the other over top of the stud.

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              4~ Tudor's
              1~ Coupe

              Henry Ford said,
              "It's all nuts and bolts"


              Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                Keep an eye on those shackles for fractures!

              • Mitch
                Mitch commented
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                Will do.
                They are the better ones

            • #9
              I buy the cotter pin kit from the vendors, just recently again from Bratton's. They are less expensive that way and a sheet included for what size and location for most. (Mitch, no flyer in the box this time...what's up with that?) I never reuse a cotter pin and new installed each time. There are a couple exceptions how I bend them, such as the driveshaft on the pinion gear. I always bend those toward the gear and not over the shaft.

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              • Mitch
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                Dennis
                They just finished distributing the last batch of 1000.

            • #10
              Originally posted by Mitch View Post

              • Mitch
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                Dennis
                They just finished distributing the last batch of 1000.
              WHEW!!
              You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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              • Mitch
                Mitch commented
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                Tell me about it 2000 flyers in 3 months.

              • BNCHIEF
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                Great advertising, to get the word out.

              • CM2
                CM2 commented
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                Business at Brattons is good..wonder what the average revenue per sale is.

            • #11
              I seat the head in the castellation and pull while bending the leg,tension on the pin helps it lock...even though it's a poor lock for a torqued fastener.I always use galvanized nails,no rust

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              • #12
                How to bend cotter pins....

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                • Larry Jenkins
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                  Part of doing things right..

              • #13
                I hate to dig the old rusty ones out. I started breaking the ends off and impacting the nut. Shears them right off. Right now I am taking loose every cotter pin Henry installed.

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                • CM2
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                  once you break them off with the gun,leave whats left in the bolt,when you re-tighten it its like loctite..

              • #14
                Mitch, Like your photos, but you need to study un-molested, original cars for the correct answers.

                The longer I'm in this hobby (50 years) the more I realize how much we under estimate the talent that built these cars and over estimate our own abilities.

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                • Mitch
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                  Hey Jimbo It's good to see ya

              • #15
                Snyders carries the good ones in stainless steel. Used them on my 1930 CCPU. A little harder to bend, but won't rust.

                I have seen them with the longer leg bent down 90 degres and the top short one bent completely backwards. Looked nice.. Don't know id Henry did them like that.

                Larry Jenkins
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                Good enough.. Isn't.

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                • Mitch
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                  I used all stainless, they are much nicer

              • #16
                On the connecting rods in the engine. if they are not put in like original they will end up in the oil pan. I always bend both legs tight to the nut. To pull them use your side cutters on the round part, then roll your side cutters. They will come right out. Just squeeze just enough to hold, but not cut them. Works for me.

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                • CM2
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                  I 'jack' them out that way as well..If I get too fresh and cut the head then I pull the legs..

              • #17
                Ford had ramped up A production once the kinks were out of the design,by the middle of '29 they were producing 9000 cars a day. Ford employed a time management system to maintain and increase productivity,they ran time studies on every facet of production.Floor foremen were responsible for his crew of ten or twenty men to meet those constraints, its doubtful they had an appearance standard for cotter pins,more than likely they had a allotted time to install them.Product quality was maintained through inspection. Chassis and engine compartment appearance didn't have to pass a styling department overview till the 1950's.

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              • #18
                Old Jaguars were great for throwing off ends of rod nut cotter keys. "Somehow" they would make it through the coarse oil screen, then through the oil pump & end up STUCK under the oil pressure relief valve. The result was LOW oil pressure readings. The valve was accessible from the side of the engine, near the oil filter.
                I've told you before, I've run into a LOTS of WEIRD things in my 35 year career!
                Dad Strange

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                • BILL WILLIAMSON
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                  Whenever I had a pan off on an Old Jaguar, I replaced the castellated rod nuts with Chrysler nuts & a "pal" nut.
                  Dads' Alterations

              • #19
                Hee cayn toc srate.. We luv ya Bill..
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                • #20
                  Here is how I do the Axles only and moderns.
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                  4~ Tudor's
                  1~ Coupe

                  Henry Ford said,
                  "It's all nuts and bolts"


                  Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                  • #21
                    What cotter pins? Oh you mean those long thingies? I throw them in the gallon can along with slotted screws and square nuts.

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                    • #22
                      What’s the big deal with cotter pins? Maybe you’re using the wrong tool. Right hand, left hand, and up side down versions are available.

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                      • CM2
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                        Im in California brother, right handed in a left hand world...

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