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  • I just don't understand.

    Between most of the forums and almost all the Model A pages on Facebook, I read how a person's Model A will not do this and that and can't do the other thing. It's poor at ... Then you read about all the "upgrades" they have but on the car. Their car has bad shocks so they find the cheapest tube shock kit and complain about the hard ride. Modern points and complain about setting the points. And so on and so on and so forth. Is there anything wrong with "upgrades"? No not in themselves but I do have a problem when they are used to "fix" a problem.

    If any of you are reading this and are new to Model A's do your self a favor if you have a problem then research the details of the parts involved and have that section restored back to Ford specification. Ask questions here read the responses and ask more questions. Very few owners have driven a truly restored A. They steer easy, start easy, go "fast" and smooth, easy on fuel and so on.

  • #2
    you mean the carb isnt supposed to drip or run rough warming up????

    yea they need to apply the KISS method as the car was designed around the KISS method...Or refuse to believe the cheapest parts they can find dont last. or think the crimp on or T-tap wire connectors are a good idea and get defensive when you tell them all connections should be crimped and soldered terminals.

    I wonder if these peoples modern cars get treated the same way with overheating radiators, fluid leaks everywhere, sloppy steering, poor brakes...

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    • #3
      LOL LOL
      People who would not normally even attempt to change the oil in their modern car, become, instantly, experts on vintage cars, boats, RVs, and motorcycles, as soon as they purchase one

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      • #4
        I hate seeing all these modifications to a Model A when the owner has very little experience working on a Model A and very little mechanical ability.

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        • #5
          You have started me off again!!!!! What really gets me going is the "experts" that stand around at a meeting quoting production figures, paint codes or what every, but when their cars breaks down at the side of the road they stand there looking blank waiting for some magician to come along and fix it quickly at no cost to them. End of rant!!!

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          • #6
            I hate it when people say "it is not a points car" giving justification for a half as_ repair. Take your time do it to the best of your ability and don't throw away the castle nuts and use a lock washer just because it "ain't a fine points car"
            Last edited by Paul; 02-10-2018, 05:40 AM.

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            • #7
              My point in saying my car is not a points car is that I do not people standing around, looking at my car, saying all that is wrong. As best as I can, I am putting my A back together using the judging standards. I do not want someone telling me this cotter pin is the wrong size or installed the wrong way. I want to drive the tires off my A. I want my A to be safe as possible, so I will add turn signals, seat belts, a third upper signal bar.
              So, I am adding upgrades, but if the fastener requires a castle nut, it gets a castle nut.
              Just my thoughts.

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              • Chevmn56
                Chevmn56 commented
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                Amen!!

              • Mike V. Florida
                Mike V. Florida commented
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                I like to believe that these people are just trying to start a conversation with another person that knows about Model A's.

            • #8
              I wonder how many people have cars they think are "barn finds" or "original" or even "restored" that are actually cars restored in the seventies with cheap reproduction parts. I personally think a Model A properly restored the way Henry built it will not be worn out by me. I have nothing against safety upgrades such as turn signals, seat belts, etc. especially if you live in an urban area and want to drive you car.

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              • #9
                My thing is changing a bunch of parts trying to fix it. Then they get it to the point where it is hard for anyone to figure out. Then when you try to help they want to tell you how to fix it.

                Well I'm off to lube day for our club. That will be interesting. I will get to see how not to do things.
                Last edited by George Miller; 02-10-2018, 05:23 PM.

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                • BNCHIEF
                  BNCHIEF commented
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                  Take pictures George so we can see what your doing wrong.

                • CM2
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                  Took my service truck to a club tech day...probably twenty members showed up,not a one brought tools..one guy brought a bunch of parts for his car and was bitching about the last time the club worked on his car and screwed something up...yet there he was again,eager to let some stranger hack away...for free... on his model A

                • Mitch
                  Mitch commented
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                  What things do you do other than lube on lube day?

                • George Miller
                  George Miller commented
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                  We use get together to learn how to fix things. Like transmission, engines, steering, frame straighten, so on.
                  now about 6 cars out of 50 do a lot of touring. the other 46 you never see, maybe some at the parades in the fall.

              • #10
                If everyone would just have some experience would women, they'd name their A with a woman's name and then watch "The Stepford Wives".
                "Bullshit and Brilliance Comes with Age and Experience"

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                • #11
                  Modern fasteners and locking compounds would have been used by Ford if they were available then,the castellated nut and cotter pin arrangement does not insure torque,it only insures against disassembly of the fastener. .Anyone running a high compression head and a stock model a distributor will soon find out running a modern centrifugal advance distributor was the right thing to do.Its choosing the correct upgrade thats the issue.

                  Its your car,fill it with concrete and use it as a door stop if you desire.People learn by experience,others are fools,you be the judge.

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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by George Miller View Post
                    My thing is changing a bunch of parts trying to fix it. Then they get itto the point where it is hard for anyone to figure out. Then when you try to help they want to tell you how to fix it.

                    Well I'm off to lube day for our club. That will be interesting. I will get to see how not to do things.
                    oh yes...like engine overheating or runs rough or sounds like a misfire or backfires yet refuse to do a basic compression test and leakdown test. Those 2 tests can eliminate like 3/4 of the potential problems but no lets swap out a coil that hardly goes bad or swap in the 3rd condenser today.

                    seems people want to add that $5 bandaid fix instead of actually fixing issues.



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                    • #13
                      I don't think anybody here or on the other forums was around when the cars were new, Many are "new" owners, some with little to no mechanical ability, who've bought one because of a whim or their Dad or Uncle had one. On some who know's what's been done over the last 80+ years. Some think new is better.
                      My tudor is for sale, guy begged me not to sell before he looked at it. Had lots of money, NO mechanical ability, size 12 shoes. I explained about the spark, GAV< etc. Went for a ride. He never came back.
                      Be thankful we have these resources for help, the internet, vendors that care, etc. JMO
                      Paul in CT

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by 1931 Flamingo View Post
                        I don't think anybody here or on the other forums was around when the cars were new,
                        Paul in CT
                        I was!!!!

                        "Bullshit and Brilliance Comes with Age and Experience"

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                        • Larry Jenkins
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                          Me too..

                      • #15
                        The car endures after the creators are dead,the factory gone,the original buyers and owners long past..the car endures.It will survive this generation of aftermarket speed and improvement,the car needs to complete for the road with cars having 5 times the horsepower and 10 times the braking efficiency.So nodular drums and high compression heads and overdrives allow the car to remain viable. Idiots owned them 80 years ago,and will buy them today,you cant stop that.Build your car as you wish and enjoy it,be happy in the fact you are able to cherish a piece of history,dont judge those who dont see it your way,let them flow.

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                        • #16
                          Many STUPID things happen because Folks are SO INSECURE & most won't ADMIT IT! Instead of havin' PISSIN' CONTESTS, let's have a FARTIN' CONTEST & LAFF ourselves SILLY!:rolling
                          HEY, Son, kin we have a FART EMOJI?
                          Gassy Dad

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                          • #17
                            Originally posted by BILL WILLIAMSON View Post
                            Many STUPID things happen because Folks are SO INSECURE & most won't ADMIT IT! Instead of havin' PISSIN' CONTESTS, let's have a FARTIN' CONTEST & LAFF ourselves SILLY!:rolling
                            HEY, Son, kin we have a FART EMOJI?
                            Gassy Dad
                            Like this?

                            fart.jpg
                            3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
                            Henry Ford said,
                            "It's all nuts and bolts"
                            "Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."

                            Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                            • BILL WILLIAMSON
                              BILL WILLIAMSON commented
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                              PERFECT!!!!---Jist put it on my TAB---LOL

                          • #18
                            At the top of my list is the wireless lower plate. Whichever style points you use, just be sure to have a wired plate. They cause weird intermittent drive-ability issues, and start out as little glitches.
                            3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
                            Henry Ford said,
                            "It's all nuts and bolts"
                            "Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."

                            Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                            • George Miller
                              George Miller commented
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                              Same here.

                          • #19
                            I want points for original dirt and grease!
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                            • #20
                              All of the above Model A owner comments on Human preferences appears so normal, so true, and not just for today, but for "all" throughout World History.

                              "I just don't understand" is a very intelligent Worldwide Human Statement to say after thousands are found dead on a Roman battlefield; and/ or after looking at recent grave sites at the Beaches of Normandy; and/or looking at the Vietnam Wall; and/or looking at Model A's turned into Hot Rods; and/or Model A's with tube shocks, V-8 points, a 12V battery; and/or whitewall tires

                              It is all just so very "Human"!

                              Just different human concepts, different human backgrounds, different human thoughts, different human preferences, different human dislikes; etc., etc.

                              "I just don't understand" will remain in all Human minds for all of today's and future generations for Eternity.

                              And frankly my dear ....... like everybody else, when discussing what some do with Model A Ford's ...... "I don't understand either!"

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                              • #21
                                While mine is still a work in progress, I at times get to work on other peoples cars. I still find it comical to see a car with a 10K paint job and worn, pitted and somewhat rusty parts on the underside of the car. The same nicely painted cars are the same ones that break down on tours. While I like a nice paint job it seems slightly less could have been spent on the outside and more could have been spent on the chassis. Shiney paint won't get you home and the toe truck costs the same for a nice paint job as it does for a lesser paint job. Rod
                                "Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good." Thomas Sowell

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                                • #22
                                  Help is on the way Rowdy !!
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                                  Model A's and of course the famous AA's

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                                  • #23
                                    I often thought and still often think it may always be a good idea to mention and caution new, inexperienced Model A owners that:

                                    A. If one installs, (or has installed), some sort of modern ignition system(s), different transmission(s), different electrical wiring and/or other non-standard, non-original Model A modifications; and,

                                    B. This person is traveling quite a distance away from home; and,

                                    C. This inexperienced Model A owner has a Model A breakdown;

                                    D. It may be extremely difficult for this new, inexperienced Model A owner to acquire immediate mechanical assistance information from Model A Forums, from several Model A parts supplier technicians, and/or from any nearby Model A owner who may be familiar only with the mechanical and electrical functioning of an "original" Model A; not to mention,

                                    E. Visiting today's mechanics at any car dealer ..... may spell further disaster.

                                    "I just don't understand" ..... just love it !!!!!



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                                    • #24
                                      When you consider that high school vocational shop classes more or less shut down 30-35 years ago and the vast majority of men grew up in an urban environment, it's no wonder that new A owners in the 35-50 age group lack basic mechanical skills. When you have a AAA card and a cell phone with an Uber or Lyft app, why do you need to learn how to set points? It's a culture thing. Watched a Jay Leno's Garage video last night and ended up checking out a 1975 Sammy Davis Jr. Roast from the Las Vegas with Dean Martin as host. Now there is a real culture shock, specially when you add Don Rickles and Phyills Diller to the mix. You could never show that on TV in 2018.

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                                      • BNCHIEF
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                                        People do not have a sense of humor nowadays.

                                    • #25
                                      Originally posted by Mitch View Post

                                      Like this?

                                      fart.jpg
                                      Wish some aroma could be added. I'd eat more beans!!!!!
                                      "Bullshit and Brilliance Comes with Age and Experience"

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                                      • JDupuis
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                                        I'm at the age to "Never Trust a Fart" !!! Jeff

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