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    There's a lots of FORMS or TYPES of ENERGY in a Model A running gear. Lets talk about WHAT they ARE & how they CHANGE or AFFECT each other, just to "HUSTLE US DOWN THE ROAD"---
    Bill Roadrunner

  • #2
    Well, the first type that pops into my head is Rotational, just to get it kinda started.
    You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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    • #3
      electrical, magnetic (if that is truly a form of energy), potential (springs), chemical (gasoline)...
      some of these might not please a college physics prof, but seems germaine to those of us on a forum

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      • #4
        A stock engine is 40 HP delivering 24 HP to the rear wheels. A 16 HP energy loss through the drive train
        3 ~ Tudor's
        Henry Ford said
        "It's all nuts and bolts"


        Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mitch View Post
          A stock engine is 40 HP delivering 24 HP to the rear wheels. A 16 HP energy loss through the drive train
          It's all that grease packing the trans U-joint! I hadn't realized it was THAT much of a loss.
          You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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          • #6
            What about the energy loss from using Bias ply tires: Don't radials increase fuel mileage?
            3 ~ Tudor's
            Henry Ford said
            "It's all nuts and bolts"


            Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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            • DaWizard
              DaWizard commented
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              Actually Mitch, I believe there is a smaller contact patch on bias ply tires which would reduce the "scrubbing" effect of the radial ply tires. I think the only way a radial ply tire would be beneficial would be with a suspension geometry change. I seriously doubt that a radial ply tire would increase fuel mileage.

            • Mitch
              Mitch commented
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              I did a few searches and keep coming up with the same basic info. Note the rolling resistance which equals better fuel mileage.

              ""Now we look at advantages of radial tire over a bias tire:
              Good high speed capacity
              Longer lasting and Longer tread life (Up to30%- 50% longer)
              Steel Belted - Results in tougher overall construction
              Better floatation ,larger contact area wider footprint
              Low heat build-up or run cooler
              Lower rolling resistance
              Better Fuel Economy
              Better stability
              Wear resistant
              Smoother, more quiet ride""

            • Greynomad
              Greynomad commented
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              One of the clubs I belong to runs a rally every 2 years or so of about 1,000 miles which has several competition stages in it. One of them was a Hill Climb but now a days, insurance companies are a bit twitchy about covering any event where we compete against the clock so we turned the whole thing up side down. Starting from the top of the hill, we roll down onto the flat below and the winner is the car that rolls the furthest. The winner always is a car with radial tyres. This lower drag from the tyres would have to mean better mileage when driving, surely.
              Last edited by Greynomad; 06-28-2017, 07:56 PM. Reason: Correct punctuation.

            • BNCHIEF
              BNCHIEF commented
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              Mitch after I put my radials on I had to install an overflow tank.

          • #7
            I DIDN'T mean we should build A ROCKET or write a SCIENTIFIC PAPER, it's just to get us THINKING & VISUALIZING stuff that goes on in a piece of MACHINERY. It can be goofy FUN & "might" even help us in diagnosing problem stuff!--The more you ponder it, the WILDER it GETS! Once I wrote a list of 57 things that "went on" or "changed"---Would have written MORE, but I had a "BRAIN-FART" & went to sleep.----
            Bill Whatsitdoing
            Last edited by BILL WILLIAMSON; 06-27-2017, 10:01 PM.

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            • #8
              Mechanical energy turns the dynamo & it sets up MOGONETIC stuff & produces ELECTRIAL energy that goes on to do--------------????
              Bill Dizzy

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              • #9
                If one wants to turn some potential energy into kinetic energy, just left the clutch out.

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                • #10
                  Patrick,
                  ONLY if it's IN GEAR----LOL
                  Bill Stupid

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                  • #11
                    I was sitting here thinking of another energy self perpetrated by the heat generated by the running engine.

                    What about the thermodynamics of the water/coolant being heated and even without the engine running begins to self circulate?

                    The name of which eludes me at this time, and I'm sure someone with a snappier mind will come to my rescue and name it correctly.
                    You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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                    • BNCHIEF
                      BNCHIEF commented
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                      It is called thermo-syphon and why Henry did not think the T needed a water pump.

                  • #12
                    "THERMO-FLOW"----Like, HEAT goes UP!
                    Bill Warm

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                    • #13
                      I gotta get up the energy to get out of bed to drive the darned thing (especially during winter).

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                      • Mitch
                        Mitch commented
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                        Winter in Australia? 50 F

                      • Greynomad
                        Greynomad commented
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                        Yup! And we are in the south (colder here than up north) Down to nearly zero last night (32F). A few years ago, we hosted a group from Switzerland during our winter. They froze. Go figure!!
                        Last edited by Greynomad; 06-29-2017, 06:04 PM. Reason: Add more

                    • #14
                      ELECTRICAL energy from the afore mentioned DYNAMO is stored in the OPTIMA, released into the starter, sets up MAGONETIC action & is changed into MECHANICAL energy that turns the engine !
                      Bill W.

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                      • DaWizard
                        DaWizard commented
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                        As some of you may have heard, last Sunday the Diamond Tread chapter of MAFCA had it's annual picnic and one individual lost enough of the pixies stored in his Optima to start the car with the starter, and wouldn't you know, didn't have a hand crank. SO, I not only loaned him mine, I showed him that even if you only have enough pixies left to dimly light a light, you still have enough pixies to run the car, if you only have the hand crank and the knowledge of how to use it. Making Energy By Hand
                        Last edited by DaWizard; 06-29-2017, 10:54 AM.

                      • tbirdtbird
                        tbirdtbird commented
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                        Bill, I though you wanted to avoid physics and stuff like that

                    • #15
                      ELECTRICAL energy goes to bulb filaments, changes to HEAT energy & VOILLE'--we have LIGHT energy!
                      Bill Bright

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                      • #16
                        And don't forget about the wind at our backs which helps push these cars down the road!!!!
                        3 ~ Tudor's
                        Henry Ford said
                        "It's all nuts and bolts"


                        Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                        • BILL WILLIAMSON
                          BILL WILLIAMSON commented
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                          With its' "BARN DOOR" aerodynamics, Joe found that on a LOOONG, straight downhill, it would hold @ 55 MPH, in neutral, with the engine OFF!
                          Dad Nobrakes

                      • #17
                        When surfaces in contact move relative to each other, the friction between the two surfaces converts kinetic energy into thermal energy. Therefore, our brake shoes produce energy.
                        Last edited by Curly; 09-27-2017, 11:23 PM.

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                        • Mitch
                          Mitch commented
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                          Brake shoes or linings// Brake pads are disc

                      • #18
                        That’s what I said.

                        I sure like the edit function. ;)

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                        • #19
                          The "2 Hour Energy" of an 80 year old.
                          I get energy to work on my car if I think about how great it sounds at a slow idle.
                          Phil

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                          • BILL WILLIAMSON
                            BILL WILLIAMSON commented
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                            When Chief adjusted his to run like that, he called it, "CALILLACING"--He considered that a sign of PERFECT TUNING!
                            He taught me to FINE tune the TIMING by EAR & ANYONE can learn to do it! MANY get SO confused about timing & WHERE to run the spark lever.
                            Bill W.

                        • #20
                          Is that pronounced "ca-lill-a-cing" ?....or "cal-ill-acing"?.....or "calilla-cing" ????..........................
                          Whatever it sure sounds good to my ear!!!!
                          Phil

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                          • BILL WILLIAMSON
                            BILL WILLIAMSON commented
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                            Aren't the SOUNDS great, Phil,
                            As Minerva would pick up from Parade Mode, she had a CLUCK-CLUCK-CLUCK, like an Old Chicken! I "think" it was air blasts from the carb throat?
                            After doing my NASCAR Kzhaust system, some said she sounded like a 9-N Ford Tractor, was that a compliment???
                            Dad Happy

                        • #21
                          Those sounds are the BEST!

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                          • #22
                            I don't know about the 9N one though.

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