My meaning of a word.

[Larry Jenkins]

Last night, while writing a comment in the **** **** site, I mentioned that Mitch had left the **** **** and established VFF. I also tried to convince Barn readers to visit Mitch's relatively new site. During this attempt, I described Mitch as "prolific" and controversial."

Before any one gets their panties in a bunch, my choice of words were strictly complementary. My choice of the word "controversial" was an attempt to describe Mitch as a "mover and shaker."

He does sort of fit that description quite well. Tells it like it is; not afraid to voice a different opinion. After all, how many of us would tell the present owner of the **** ****, "piss on you." and then create his own site.

Sorry if the word "Controversial" offended anyone. If so, I apologize.

Larry Jenkins

[pAAt]

Larry have you been banned over there yet ? Pat's smiling !!

[Larry Jenkins]

Not banned yet, and probably won't be. I do respond some times to comments made by others. Thank you for asking.

[JDupuis]

Larry, I did see your post last night on the other forum.
I read your post, with a smile on my face, knowing that you were only praising Mitch,and the VFF.
Since Bill Williamson ( the all wise and all knowing) informed me of this site last month, I would have never ventured out the barn doors. For this, I am thankfull to Bill.
My computer time is better spent here on the VFF. I would say that I spend 90% of my time here. I, like yourself, and others here, still venture into the barn. It does not have that "homey" feeling that I really have come to enjoy here.
The air seems fresher here.
I hope that others that read your post on the barn last night, will venture over here. Even if they only want to lurk around.
Jeff

[Tom Wesenberg]

"...... I, like yourself, and others here, still venture into the barn......"

Well, someone needs to shovel out the manure. LOL

[2manycars]

Tom, that made me laugh.

[tbirdtbird]

Larry, most of us who started out here on the VFF, including the boss, were banned for correcting blatantly wrong info. The combined contribution of the major initial players here on the VFF was over 20K posts, and we were just tossed out like yesterday's trash. I agree about the homey atmosphere, totally. As with any business, the overall personality of a site derives from the management. Mitch is not a micro-manager, and is knowledgeable, helpful, and friendly. From that well spring flows the VFF.

I suspect Mitch felt he had no other choice than to start his own place.

Management at the other location can simply look no further than within for triggering off a new Vintage Ford Site, there is no one else to blame!
Dave

[CM2]

All I can say is he tolerates juvenile delinquents better than they do..he lets us smoke,spit and whistle at women

[tbirdtbird]

LOL I like your style!

[Larry Jenkins]

I too got banned some time ago for challenging a wrong statement. Back in in two weeks. Have not been banned yet for last night's post on the Barn. did ask me not to spam his site. Was NOT spam.. just well-known conditions. I told him why I wrote it. No response from him.

[DaWizard]

Sure no response, he knows the truth of it and is pouting now trying to find a reason to ban you.

[CM2]

I got a week for slapping Chris Haynes around...hell I shoulda got a medal.

[Mitch]

Maybe will accidentally BAN himself LOL

[Grit Kid]

I was banned for slapping Pinecock....it was worth getting banned!!!! I'd do it again in a heart beat!!!!

[JDupuis]

Was that pineslake? He got banned. He was a very rude prick. Jmho.
Jeff

[Grit Kid]

Being rude is an understatement when applied to him!!!!!

[Mitch]

c26pinelake
We called him pinecock lol
And that guy was allowed to carry on for years, to torture everyone. A prime example of woodwork moderating

[JDupuis]

Thanks, We are on the same page with this one.
I just needed some clarification. Jeff

[BNCHIEF]

Larry i doubt anybody took offense at your portrayal of Mitch i kinda joked about it just to tease Mitch,say what you think we always enjoy a breath of fresh air.

[Mitch]

Management at the other location can simply look no further than within for triggering off a new Vintage Ford Site, there is no one else to blame!

Well said and it still continues to this day. Banning's every week!! The serenity of the VFF proves that it was not the convicts. (I reside in cell block 6 if anyone wants to visit) I knew this 100% going in or I would never had attempted it.

[Larry Jenkins]

Probably will change hands again.. Ahooga is all but dead. Just a few bad ones left.. Years ago, It WAS the site. No more. Barn is gaining..

[BNCHIEF]

I have tried to read aoogha but it is too cluttered and hard to follow.

[Jeff/Illinois]

I found Ahooga hard to read and follow too, plus it was only the same half a dozen guys all the time I deleted it from my bookmarks a LONG time ago didn't know if they were still around or not. Never look at it anymore.

[Mike V. Florida]

In my opinion, the biggest difference is that the members here are willing to see things in a different light. If they read about a method that goes against long-held beliefs they seem to say, "oh, ok I can see that." On the other site if you post something that "attacks" the long-held (albeit wrong) belief you are the one that is attacked. When you produce facts to back up what you say you are accused of creating drama, not the guy that has the wrong information and you are banned.

[Mitch]

In my opinion, the biggest difference is that the members here are willing to see things in a different light. If they read about a method that goes against long-held beliefs they seem to say, "oh, ok I can see that." On the other site if you post something that "attacks" the long-held (albeit wrong) belief you are the one that is attacked. When you produce facts to back up what you say you are accused of creating drama, not the guy that has the wrong information and you are banned.

That derives from what I call woodwork moderating (no presence) and not having any mechanical knowledge of what the topics being discussed are even about. I certainly will not be starting or taking over a site of something that I know nothing about. (this is what went down) It's impossible to emerge from the woodwork to make an informed decision given these circumstances. Unfortunately, the good guys lost every battle because of this, and here we are today. Thewas taken over for the money not for the love of the hobby or the folks in it. It also did nothing to support the hobby back, sponsorships or events etc. That is because this would mean spending out of the pocket $$, plus it didn't care enough to anyway.
Being the only game in town compounded this.

These reflect my opinions of which others may not agree

[Steve Plucker]

Larry's post on **** **** appears to be gone now unless I missed it.

Pluck

[Mike V. Florida]

Does that surprise anyone?

[BNCHIEF]

Pretty much says it all.

[Mitch]

Pluck see post #30

https://www.vintagefordforum.com/forum/model-a/55546-brent-was-right/page2

[JDupuis]

Larry's post was up for less then 2 hours..
some more guys were banned last night. Jeff

[Mitch]

HAHA i called that
Try contacting them & send the no good trouble making bums over here. We'll take em

[BNCHIEF]

When I see something on the Barn that interests me i pm the guy and tell him how to contact me here, has worked 3-4 times.

[Steve Plucker]

Now that is an idea!

Pluck

[Grit Kid]

"send the no good trouble making bums over here" OTAY Pappy!!!!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...C2E3&FORM=VIRE

[CM2]

[Jeff/Illinois]

Those pictures made me laugh! Thanks,,, how appropriate for this conversation!!

[CM2]

before you know it there will be white port and lemon juice bottle all over,and dirty pictures carved into the men's room toilet walls...buncha god damn hooligans,the lot of ya.

[Grit Kid]

I know of seven lurkers that will not join because they are afraid to. I've tried to get them to join but they won't.

[Mitch]

Have them email me. Hopefully they are not afraid to do that. I'll take it from there

[email protected]

[Grit Kid]

The problem lies with their husbands, they want them to join the Barn!!!!! As long as I'm here and their husbands there, they feel pretty safe as it is!!!!!!! ;)

[Tom Wesenberg]

Larry's post was up for less then 2 hours..
some more guys were banned last night. Jeff

I saw that deleted some posts and mentioned that he banned some guys. I was wondering who got banned? It was the thread about a guy asking how to remove stuck front drums, and someone said if he couldn't figure it out he shouldn't own a Model A. That isn't a quote, but was the content of the message. Someone else called him out for being rude. I don't recall the 2 posters involved though, and was wondering if both got banned.

BTW, I also thought the comment wasn't a good one, because not everyone knows all the tricks of the trade. You learn a lot from the older mechanics, and by trying different things over many years. I know that drums can rust to linings and make removal very tough, but years ago I found out that hitting the backing plate with a hammer can jar them loose most of the time. I suspect these were either rusted, or the adjuster wasn't backed off, but someone new to Model A's may not know about the adjusters, and which way to turn them.

BTW, now we need an English teacher because I need to know the correct punctuation for " I was wondering who got banned".
Should it have a question mark, or a period?
"Who got banned" should have a question mark because I'm asking a question, but "I was wondering who got banned" is declaring something.

[Mitch]

There is a better way to go about it and that is by using dialogue. Most likely it could have been worked out without anyone getting the boot. Another prime example of what was mentioned earlier

[JDupuis]

3.6 from Belgium started it.
Then 1wonton, joined in. Beater came to the defense as well as the original poster. Called these guys out. Then Ryan, cleaned the room, the thread and did his banning.
That's my take on this. Anything else is just a liar liar pants on fire.! . Jeff

[BNCHIEF]

3.6 has started crap there before and also with some snarky remarks at times,but when guys post things like that I stop following anything they post, but I do not post there. Occasionally I lurk, I really like that word lurker, sometimes it is just too funny there. At least you know where you stand with the convicts here.

[Grit Kid]

BTW, now we need an English teacher because I need to know the correct punctuation for " I was wondering who got banned".
Should it have a question mark, or a period?
"Who got banned" should have a question mark because I'm asking a question, but "I was wondering who got banned" is declaring something.

" I was wondering who was banned" w/!!! Anyone know who was banned ????????

I wasn't an English/Grammar teacher but I was a Army Drill Sgt and we are famous for our proper grammar :rolling plus....I've had some mighty fine looking English/Grammar babes in my day!!!!!!