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    According to the previous owner, when he had the engine rebuilt in my 29 it was converted to insert bearings. I have the receipt, from the mid 90s, totaling almost $1,900 Unfortunately, it doesn't itemize the work done. I am considering installing an oil filter kit, from Brattons. All the threads I've read are positive. But I have seen comments that the oil pump doesn't have enough pressure to use the filter efficiently. Anyone have experience with this setup?

  • #2
    The oil pump will have plenty of pressure.
    It takes a restriction to build pressure, and the only reason for the low pressure on the Model A is the fact the oil is being pumped to an open end tube.

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    • #3
      I don't run them because i'm more show than go, but you certainly will help keep the oil cleaner by installing the kit,.

      Regarding inserts,,, when did rebuilders start doing them? Slammin's states his receipts are from the 90's...
      3 ~ Tudor's
      Henry Ford said
      "It's all nuts and bolts"


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      • George Miller
        George Miller commented
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        I started in the early 80ts We used MG for the mains and Wisconsin Ve4 bearings for the rods.

      • slammin
        slammin commented
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        George, The seller did say something about MG bearings.

    • #4
      strongly suggest a filter; the pump will be fine with it, and the inserts need the cleanest oil you can get. I have inserts but the babbitt or aluminum layer is thin, so inserts are not as forgiving of small dirt and wear particles

      The kit from Mile's affordable takes a Wix 51515 (equivalent to a Fram PH8A, but the Wix is a better filter hands down)

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      • Mitch
        Mitch commented
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        Agree with that.. The Wix is hands down the best filter available, for any application

        I use them on my mower, generator, and personal vehicles.

        yes they cost more

      • Dennis
        Dennis commented
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        Wix makes filters for Napa, just have one less digit on their filter number.

    • #5
      OK im considering the same thing and was going to use this setup with the SMALL filter..>Thoughts??
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      • #6
        you'll be fine with the alternate ford smaller filter
        3 ~ Tudor's
        Henry Ford said
        "It's all nuts and bolts"


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        • Mark Maron
          Mark Maron commented
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          this one attaches to the side timing cover, have you ever used it Mitch? and you like them?

        • Mark Maron
          Mark Maron commented
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          How often is the filter changed...at every oil change also???? I go 1500 miles between changes

      • #7
        Mark i was talking about the filter. Regarding the 2 different style kits, the one you show taps into the oil passage on the outside of the block. The valve cover mounted style gets the oil internally direct from the passage (100%). I am thinking that with your option some of the oil will bypass the pick up tube and not be directed to the filter. Maybe someone else can chime in here on this.
        3 ~ Tudor's
        Henry Ford said
        "It's all nuts and bolts"


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        • Mark Maron
          Mark Maron commented
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          YEA I hate the look of the other ones and from what i have been told this is a good setup. Here are the installation instructions from Snyders.

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        • #9
          I'm with Mitch, if the oil source is the 1/8" pipe tap on the side of the block then you will not filter all the oil, not even close. There is a flood of oil spewing out the horizontal pipe laying in the valve chamber, that's where you want to capture it.

          Mark, I get it on the looks, but I also hate the look of scored bearings and journals LOL

          There might be a stubbier filter that has the same base as the 51515, maybe Mitch has a way to look that up. That would address your appearance issue I think

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          • Mark Maron
            Mark Maron commented
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            I ran my last engine by AER with all inserts for 30K with out a filter...and had no issues at all on anything...cant stand that filter sticking out unless i can use that MINI one in my post pictures??

        • #10
          Mark what about the valve cover option with the 90 degree adapter and the smaller version filter like you showed?
          3 ~ Tudor's
          Henry Ford said
          "It's all nuts and bolts"


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          • Mark Maron
            Mark Maron commented
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            Wait Mitch.....what do you mean....90 degree adapter?????

          • Mitch
            Mitch commented
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            It's what Wiz shows
            http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oil-filter-adapter

          • Dennis
            Dennis commented
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            I'd go with the valve cover version as it's a full flow and put the 90 degree adapter on. If you have a cast iron header I think you need the adapter to get clearance. Maybe Carl can chime in here, I thought I saw a picture of his engine in the past with a header.

        • #11
          I have been using the Mike's A-Ford-Able for over a year with a slight modification and no issues. Your mileage may vary.

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          You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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          • Mark Maron
            Mark Maron commented
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            OK this i like,,,but Mikes...i did not see it..what am i missing, can you send me a link to it please and what modification and you dont have pans on ...does it interfere with the engine pan..?That i would do in a heartbeat...

          • Mark Maron
            Mark Maron commented
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            Wiz and everyone here is another question,... WHAT exactly do you see from it..benefit wise. Longer oil changes, Cleaner oil?? What

          • Mitch
            Mitch commented
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            Nice pictures Wiz

        • #12
          you filter ALL the oil with this setup. A tube runs inside the valve cover from Henry's horizontal tube to the newly designed valve cover. It is a slick setup

          Wiz, exactly what did you modify?

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          • #13
            Ok, First off, Mark, here is the link... http://www.mikes-afordable.com/product/A6705F.html

            After you look at the kit, you will see that I added the right angle adapter from a Ford 3.0(I think) engine.
            You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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            • Mark Maron
              Mark Maron commented
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              Ok so in addition wiz to the kit for 160.00 i also need this what mitch points out http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oi...dapter....that turns it to a right angle...and this looks better and i can use the small filter also....It seems in your pics i still see the oil return tube...can you take a full shot of the side of the engine for me

            • V Bogart
              V Bogart commented
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              4.0 Ford Ranger

            • Dennis
              Dennis commented
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              Did you find that at a salvage yard? What model and year would that have been on? Snyder has that adapter or similar for about $125. But looking at yours the adapter places the filter forward compared to the Snyder adapter.
              http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oil-filter-adapter

            • DaWizard
              DaWizard commented
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              Looks like V Bogart has the right of it, but I will text my step-son and ask him since he works in a salvage yard. And the answer is a Ford Ranger.

              The valve cover is replaced, and yes, the return pipe remains the same.

          • #14
            So we'r looking about what $280.00+ for this......hmmmm

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            • Dennis
              Dennis commented
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              Cheap insurance if it will help your engine last longer. Something else to consider keeping oil clean what goes in the engine not from just the breather pipe but in the carburetor also.

          • #15
            https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6880-a50


            https://www.amazon.com/Ford-Racing-M.../dp/B000CEO6RM
            3 ~ Tudor's
            Henry Ford said
            "It's all nuts and bolts"


            Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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            • DaWizard
              DaWizard commented
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              Since I did need to modify my Ford original to get the o-ring to seat, I would probably go with the Summit Racing one, it looks like it would drop it down straight to me. IF you decide to get the one from a Ford motor in a salvage yard, let me know and I will post the pictures of the modification I needed to make to get things sealed up tight.

          • #16
            Outstanding thread.

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            • #17
              The only caveat with using the 90 degree setup is you have to fill the filter prior to installation,its critical to prevent a dry start after an oil change.The timing cover setup is a bypass system in a non pressurized system..basically its worthless. Full flow is the only way to go.And it does look funny,especially sticking out of the valve cover sideways..but look at it this way,its in the fan 'blast' area,you'll gain some oil cooling.

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              • Mark Maron
                Mark Maron commented
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                The angle one You have to fill it first, even if I use the mini filter ??? Why is that

            • #18
              da wiz OR i can just get the one from Mikes or Brattons and it will fit?? correct

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              • #19
                Mark, after looking closely at the one from Snyder's, I would go with the one from Mike's as it draws straight from the input to the valve chamber and delivers right back into the valve chamber. I'm not so sure the Snyder's returns the oil to the valve chamber and it is relying on the 2# of pressure split between the valve chamber and oil filter.

                The one from Mike's or Bratton's seem to be the same unit, so yes, either of those, and the Summit Racing angle adapter to turn it down.
                You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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                • Mark Maron
                  Mark Maron commented
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                  Ok wait wiz. Lol. Now I’m totally confused we have looked at so much here. What I get and correct if wrong. You say buy the valve cover setup from mikes/Bratton’s. They are the same for the 160.00. Then the turn down from summit. But my ? Is. Why not the turn down from mikes or brattons also? Is there something about the Summit you like better.?

                • DaWizard
                  DaWizard commented
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                  Mark, I didn't see a turn down at Bratton's, but any turn down will work I suppose, didn't see a turn down at Mike's either

                • Mitch
                  Mitch commented
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                  it's cheaper

              • #20


                mines an old school..

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                • #21
                  Snyders is exactly the same as brattons or mikes...nobody offers the downturn,perhaps because of the demand on the non pressurized system..the pump has to flow oil through and fill the complete filter with the downturn restriction before the oil reaches the galley,the side mount uses less of the filter media but provides less restriction and demand on flow

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                  • Dennis
                    Dennis commented
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                    Snyder has the turn down adapter. You don't have to have the adapter straight up and down. it will turn or rotate on the piece that holds it to the cover.
                    http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oil-filter-adapter
                    I'd get the adapter from Summit because it's cheaper than Snyder. Throw in a couple filters and get free shipping.

                • #22
                  Can't say "Nobody offers the "downturn" (aka 90° adapter)"
                  Check out Snyder's part # A-6706 (pictured below)
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                  Alaskan A's
                  Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska
                  Model A Ford Club of America
                  Model A Restorers Club
                  Antique Automobile Club of America
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                  • #23
                    Mark, just to be clear, the one YOU posted in post #5 will NOT filter ALL the oil. It will filter some of the oil as it is sharing the oil with the motor, but not ALL. Also, you MUST run a full flow filter as the little pressure it might get won't be able to overcome anything else.

                    Whereas the Mike's and Bratton's will filter ALL the oil before getting to the valve valley as it takes the oil directly from the pump and filters it first, then delivers it to the valve valley.
                    You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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                    • Mitch
                      Mitch commented
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                      I explained that in post #7

                  • #24
                    http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oil-filter-adapter

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                    • #25
                      I stand corrected on that,thank you...but you do have to completely fill the filter on replacement to avoid starving the bearings during the fill time..

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