According to the previous owner, when he had the engine rebuilt in my 29 it was converted to insert bearings. I have the receipt, from the mid 90s, totaling almost $1,900 Unfortunately, it doesn't itemize the work done. I am considering installing an oil filter kit, from Brattons. All the threads I've read are positive. But I have seen comments that the oil pump doesn't have enough pressure to use the filter efficiently. Anyone have experience with this setup?
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According to the previous owner, when he had the engine rebuilt in my 29 it was converted to insert bearings. I have the receipt, from the mid 90s, totaling almost $1,900 Unfortunately, it doesn't itemize the work done. I am considering installing an oil filter kit, from Brattons. All the threads I've read are positive. But I have seen comments that the oil pump doesn't have enough pressure to use the filter efficiently. Anyone have experience with this setup?Tags: None
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I don't run them because i'm more show than go, but you certainly will help keep the oil cleaner by installing the kit,.
Regarding inserts,,, when did rebuilders start doing them? Slammin's states his receipts are from the 90's...3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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strongly suggest a filter; the pump will be fine with it, and the inserts need the cleanest oil you can get. I have inserts but the babbitt or aluminum layer is thin, so inserts are not as forgiving of small dirt and wear particles
The kit from Mile's affordable takes a Wix 51515 (equivalent to a Fram PH8A, but the Wix is a better filter hands down)
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OK im considering the same thing and was going to use this setup with the SMALL filter..>Thoughts??You do not have permission to view this gallery.
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you'll be fine with the alternate ford smaller filter3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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Mark i was talking about the filter. Regarding the 2 different style kits, the one you show taps into the oil passage on the outside of the block. The valve cover mounted style gets the oil internally direct from the passage (100%). I am thinking that with your option some of the oil will bypass the pick up tube and not be directed to the filter. Maybe someone else can chime in here on this.3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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I'm with Mitch, if the oil source is the 1/8" pipe tap on the side of the block then you will not filter all the oil, not even close. There is a flood of oil spewing out the horizontal pipe laying in the valve chamber, that's where you want to capture it.
Mark, I get it on the looks, but I also hate the look of scored bearings and journals LOL
There might be a stubbier filter that has the same base as the 51515, maybe Mitch has a way to look that up. That would address your appearance issue I think
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Mark what about the valve cover option with the 90 degree adapter and the smaller version filter like you showed?3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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Wait Mitch.....what do you mean....90 degree adapter?????
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It's what Wiz shows
http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oil-filter-adapter
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I'd go with the valve cover version as it's a full flow and put the 90 degree adapter on. If you have a cast iron header I think you need the adapter to get clearance. Maybe Carl can chime in here, I thought I saw a picture of his engine in the past with a header.
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I have been using the Mike's A-Ford-Able for over a year with a slight modification and no issues. Your mileage may vary.
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You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!
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OK this i like,,,but Mikes...i did not see it..what am i missing, can you send me a link to it please and what modification and you dont have pans on ...does it interfere with the engine pan..?That i would do in a heartbeat...
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Wiz and everyone here is another question,... WHAT exactly do you see from it..benefit wise. Longer oil changes, Cleaner oil?? What
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Ok, First off, Mark, here is the link... http://www.mikes-afordable.com/product/A6705F.html
After you look at the kit, you will see that I added the right angle adapter from a Ford 3.0(I think) engine.You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!
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Ok so in addition wiz to the kit for 160.00 i also need this what mitch points out http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oi...dapter....that turns it to a right angle...and this looks better and i can use the small filter also....It seems in your pics i still see the oil return tube...can you take a full shot of the side of the engine for me
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Did you find that at a salvage yard? What model and year would that have been on? Snyder has that adapter or similar for about $125. But looking at yours the adapter places the filter forward compared to the Snyder adapter.
http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oil-filter-adapter
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3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
Henry Ford said,
"It's all nuts and bolts"
"Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."
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Since I did need to modify my Ford original to get the o-ring to seat, I would probably go with the Summit Racing one, it looks like it would drop it down straight to me. IF you decide to get the one from a Ford motor in a salvage yard, let me know and I will post the pictures of the modification I needed to make to get things sealed up tight.
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The only caveat with using the 90 degree setup is you have to fill the filter prior to installation,its critical to prevent a dry start after an oil change.The timing cover setup is a bypass system in a non pressurized system..basically its worthless. Full flow is the only way to go.And it does look funny,especially sticking out of the valve cover sideways..but look at it this way,its in the fan 'blast' area,you'll gain some oil cooling.
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Mark, after looking closely at the one from Snyder's, I would go with the one from Mike's as it draws straight from the input to the valve chamber and delivers right back into the valve chamber. I'm not so sure the Snyder's returns the oil to the valve chamber and it is relying on the 2# of pressure split between the valve chamber and oil filter.
The one from Mike's or Bratton's seem to be the same unit, so yes, either of those, and the Summit Racing angle adapter to turn it down.You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!
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Ok wait wiz. Lol. Now I’m totally confused we have looked at so much here. What I get and correct if wrong. You say buy the valve cover setup from mikes/Bratton’s. They are the same for the 160.00. Then the turn down from summit. But my ? Is. Why not the turn down from mikes or brattons also? Is there something about the Summit you like better.?
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Snyders is exactly the same as brattons or mikes...nobody offers the downturn,perhaps because of the demand on the non pressurized system..the pump has to flow oil through and fill the complete filter with the downturn restriction before the oil reaches the galley,the side mount uses less of the filter media but provides less restriction and demand on flow
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Snyder has the turn down adapter. You don't have to have the adapter straight up and down. it will turn or rotate on the piece that holds it to the cover.
http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/oil-filter-adapter
I'd get the adapter from Summit because it's cheaper than Snyder. Throw in a couple filters and get free shipping.
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Can't say "Nobody offers the "downturn" (aka 90° adapter)"
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Mark, just to be clear, the one YOU posted in post #5 will NOT filter ALL the oil. It will filter some of the oil as it is sharing the oil with the motor, but not ALL. Also, you MUST run a full flow filter as the little pressure it might get won't be able to overcome anything else.
Whereas the Mike's and Bratton's will filter ALL the oil before getting to the valve valley as it takes the oil directly from the pump and filters it first, then delivers it to the valve valley.You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!
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According to the previous owner, when he had the engine rebuilt in my 29 it was converted to insert bearings. I have the receipt, from the mid 90s, totaling almost $1,900 Unfortunately, it doesn't itemize the work done. I am considering installing an oil filter kit, from Brattons. All the...-
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