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  • OK, Should I Spend $10 on Antifreeze, or Gamble Thousands on My Engine?

    Hard to believe, but I still see people who don't believe in antifreeze.
    I guess it's good in a way, because I bought my 28 Phaeton cheap because of an early freeze and cracked head.
    Luckily the original numbers matching block wasn't hurt.

  • #2
    Tom I live in the southwest and I will always use antifreeze to help control rust. I have seen a lot of freeze cracked blocks lately and I assume they came from a different location than local.

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    • #3
      I lived in El Paso for 2 1/2 years, and we had snow there a couple times, so I wouldn't trust anywhere against freezing.

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      • #4
        We get frost a few times a year out here but usually never cold enough to freeze water in a car engine. I was in El Paso one winter passing through and it was snowing. I lived in CO for over 30 yrs., so I've seen frozen and broken pipes there.

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        • #5
          I can not understand not using anything to protect an engine especially since the stuff has rust inhibitors.

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          • Dennis
            Dennis commented
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            I agree with you and where I came from, how I was raised, you ran coolant year around good for what the lowest freezing point it could get or 20 below. And we always ran thermostats. If it overheated, we fixed the problem. That was on modern cars and I can't say what people did with their Model A's when they were running.

        • #6
          Personally i would use and recommend it for whatever climate i was in. It prevents rust & corrosion plus i never had a foaming issue yet. I think one of the main reasons why we hear about so many of these Model A cooling systems with junk and rust problems, is because of the lack of antifreeze use throughout the history of these cars.
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          "Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."

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          • tbirdtbird
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            totally agree

        • #7
          It's that time of year again. I will soon get out the tester and check all 11 cars to see that they are safe.
          A few years ago my neighbor went to florida for a few weeks durring winter, and did not have antifreeze in his cars because the garage was heated. But he ran out of propane while he was gone, and froze two model A motors. One just needed a head, but the other needed a new motor. That is a hard way to learn a lesson. When I way young, I had a yellow coupe that had a cracked block, so it would not hold antifreeze. One cold evening I realized that I had not drained the engine, and when I went out to check, the radiator was frozen, as that is the place that freezes first. I started the engine and ran it until it steamed, and shut it down. I repeated the process several times until the ice was thawed, and drained it. This was a pain, as I could not afford a good battery, ($15) so had to crank the car each time. That was a lesson well learned.

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          • #8
            When I bought my pickup, it was located in the San Diego, CA area. Prior to shipping it, I insisted that the radiator be drained and anti-freeze installed. Of course you see this coming -- the PO said he would, but as it turned out, he didn't. Later said that it wasn't necessary, as it was warm weather. I don't know what would posses a person to think that shipping a car to Alaska in February wouldn't need to be protected from freezing. Fortunately it was only the head that froze (& cracked). And that happened to be one of the original "Police Heads".
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            • #9
              now you've done it, Tom, a topic with as much volatility as oil choices!!!!!

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              • #10
                Originally posted by CarlG View Post
                I don't know what would posses a person to think that shipping a car to Alaska in February wouldn't need to be protected from freezing. Fortunately it was only the head that froze (& cracked).
                Carl, how cold does it get in May up there?

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                • CarlG
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                  It all depends. Most times it's in the 40's & 50's. Of course there was the May a couple of years ago that we had a trip planned to drive down to Homer. (We do this every May). Well, the day we were scheduled to leave, it commenced snowing. We delayed the start time a couple hours, and took off anyway. I didn't have a heater in my pickup at the time. And Homer is a good 5-hour drive from here. My wife was miserable the whole way down there. The heater that was on the shelf in the garage got installed that very next week.

                • Dennis
                  Dennis commented
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                  Thanks Carl. Before I travel up there I will have my heater installed... And my thermostat.

              • #11
                Well just wonderful. My induction to Model A ownership. Haven't even had it 24 hrs and I suspect I have a busted engine. I bought the (very sharp) A off of BAT and had BAT shipping bring it down from Oregon. As you know ... record temperatures. Upon receiving in Dallas I have discovered the radiator is a block of ice. It still hasn't thawed yet but if this thread is any indication I suspect I already have a trashed engine from freezing. When I say a block of ice I mean 6 hours into it in a warm hangar and its still frozen. Great.☹

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                • #12
                  Originally posted by dmark1 View Post
                  … Upon receiving in Dallas I have discovered the radiator is a block of ice. It still hasn't thawed yet but if this thread is any indication I suspect I already have a trashed engine from freezing. When I say a block of ice I mean 6 hours into it in a warm hangar and it’s still frozen. Great.☹
                  Not a great start, but let’s stay optimistic ‘til it thaws out and see what the real damage (if any) exists.

                  Jon.

                  It's never as bad as you think, nor as good as you hope.

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by Jwmckenzie View Post

                    Not a great start, but let’s stay optimistic ‘til it thaws out and see what the real damage (if any) exists.
                    Yeah hopefully I get an early Christmas gift tomorrow .

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                    • #14
                      dmark1
                      Arthritic fingers crossed. Let’s hope for the best.
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                      • #15
                        I wouldn't get too excited just yet.The radiator has no mass to shield the water,and it will freeze solid first.Six hours is not much time to thaw something out.I've had quite a lot of experience with frozen radiators in trucks,backhoes,bulldozers,tractors,etc.I put a GMC Astro cabover in my garage with a solid radiator.My garage is always heated,and I turned it up to 70 for the night.14 hours later there was still ice in there.It was in chunks by then,so I fired the truck up,closed the winter front up and kept an eye on it while it idled.It was fine.Putting a box fan in front of the radiator overnight will help a lot.

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                        • #16
                          Originally posted by dmark1 View Post
                          Well just wonderful. My induction to Model A ownership. Haven't even had it 24 hrs and I suspect I have a busted engine. I bought the (very sharp) A off of BAT and had BAT shipping bring it down from Oregon. As you know ... record temperatures. Upon receiving in Dallas I have discovered the radiator is a block of ice. It still hasn't thawed yet but if this thread is any indication I suspect I already have a trashed engine from freezing. When I say a block of ice I mean 6 hours into it in a warm hangar and its still frozen. Great.☹
                          Wow, this scenario is really something that many wont even think about. This would be a good addition for our exsisting tech threads about purchasing a Model A. We hope everything works out good with no issues. Sometimes it is just a cracked head. Keep an eye on the oil for intermixing too. Your unfortunate experience will no doubt help other VFF members..Please keep us updated!

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                          "Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."

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                          • #17
                            A couple of years ago someone om the Shelby forum bought a car at one of the major auctions and had it transported and when it arrived it was frozen solid, so make sure someone checks coolant before transport...

                            TOB

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                            • #18
                              Originally posted by TOBKOB View Post
                              A couple of years ago someone om the Shelby forum bought a car at one of the major auctions and had it transported and when it arrived it was frozen solid, so make sure someone checks coolant before transport...
                              I sold a 64 Comet to a guy in MN he had it transported on an open truck. Being a SoCal kid I didn't even think about freezing on the trip. It arrived with a broken block but it wasn't a problem because he was going to build a gasser drag car with a 427.

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                              • #19
                                You fellow VFF’s got me gassed. I just went and checked mine and it’s a balmy 29 here.
                                Go VFF! and Remain Jeff!

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                                • #20
                                  I just bought a car (not Model A) in South Carolina. I impressed on the seller that the coolant had to be protected to at least -40f. (Actually -40f is the same as -40c). I thought I had best make that request (demand) based on my previous experience with my Model A 12 years ago.
                                  Last edited by CarlG; 12-24-2022, 05:01 PM.
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                                  • #21
                                    It’s refreshing when an old thread comes back up with new info added. Sometimes I’ll go back and hit one up front. Many others will surely benefit from it.
                                    3~ Tudor's & 1~ Coupe
                                    Henry Ford said,
                                    "It's all nuts and bolts"
                                    "Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible."

                                    Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                                    • #22
                                      dmark1 did it thaw out? what did you find?
                                      Jon.

                                      It's never as bad as you think, nor as good as you hope.

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