Bad Chinese Thermostats vs Good made in Israel thermostat

[sphanna]

i went to NAPA and purchased a Stant 180* thermostat. Got home and tested it before installation. It would not open even in boiling water. Took it back and noticed it was made in China. Got my money back and said I wanted one made in US and was told that no-one made them in us anymore. All from China. I said, I'll check somewhere else. I went to OReilly's and found a (Murray Plus + # 3838 ) 180* Thermostat that was made in ISRAEL. I was exstatic. Bought it and home tested it. It tested perfectly as it was fully open at 180*. The thing is that The China junk cost me $12.71 and the quality one cost me under $6.00. I do get a better discount at OReillys although I have no quarrel with NAPA. Perhaps one of the parts stores made a mistake in the charge.

I just thought that it might be a good thing to post if anyone has a tough time locating a US made one.

[Tom Wesenberg]

It's really sad how little is made here anymore.
I just bought 3 Goodyear bicycle inner tubes on ebay, but they are also made in China.

[Jeff/Illinois]

The major reason is greed for Americans to take their manufacturing over to China or lower labor cost Country. However folks, as you are aware automation will like replace most human hand touched manufactured goods and that tends to give lower labor cost counties little advantaged. American SpaceX, for example is the worlds largest manufacturer of liquid Rocket engines.. and made in California... So never fear, freedom and free thinking will always win and China does not have that.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Things are beginning to go 'our way' again and we'll get control back over quality. Shame on corporate America for sending our jobs overseas to make a quick buck.

When I worked at John Deere, they sourced most of their electrical components from Mexico. Early on there were some issues but they got it fixed real quick and I've got to admit there was quality parts coming out from down there, at least for us. Still not right exporting US jobs but the winds of change are a blowin' in this regard too. Got a businessman negotiating with them now, not some paid off politician.

Lastly, saw a good ad on Fox News the other nite. Concerning $15 per hour minimum wage at McDonalds. They had a kiosk set up where you ordered your own chow and paid, then stepped up to the counter to pick up your order. Tag line was '$15/hour?? Here's your replacement.' They have had this in Belgium for quite a long time, threw me off when I first saw it, but then it turned out to be a pretty nice thing!! I liked it!

[slammin]

Another reason some of the Asian jobs are coming back, wages are increasing over there. I've been involved in manufacturing since the mid 60's. Because of increased productivity thru automation, most good paying jobs will never be back. One man can do the job of many. As far as the kiosks getting rid of the minimum wage jobs at Micky Ds, if you think the price of a Big Mac will come down, I've got a nice bridge to sell you.

[Dennis]

Another problem I heard in the past and don't know if it holds true yet but the Chinese had a way of doing the manufacturing the way they saw fit and didn't always meet our specifications as we all know. I knew a VP of a company that had about all of their product made in China. He told me the executives from here in the USA would go over to meet with the factories and tell them changes they wanted made. The Chinese people would get up and leave the room and later make a change to the product only it was a way they wanted, not how they were asked. Frustrating. They don't recognize the international patent laws and that just really pisses me off. Sorry if I offended anybody so I'll go back to the garage and work on my Model A now...

[Mitch]

keep an iPad in the garage, this way u can work on the car and post at the same time

[Jeff/Illinois]

They are good for reverse engineering, copying what the world is researching and building often times that approach leads to junk.

[A29tudor]

The major reason is greed for Americans to take their manufacturing over to China or lower labor cost Country. However folks, as you are aware automation will like replace most human hand touched manufactured goods and that tends to give lower labor cost counties little advantaged. American SpaceX, for example is the worlds largest manufacturer of liquid Rocket engines.. and made in California... So never fear, freedom and free thinking will always win and China does not have that.

Also, having experience with off shore companys, you need GOOD Supervision and MANAGMENT here and in your offshore vendors site. That works. Watch what Terry Burtz is doing and learn.

[DBaldwin]

All that from a thermostat, lol!

[Poor Boy]

If you think the products are bad, have a look at the manuals and instructions. Also, it doesn’t matter where the product comes from. China or Europe. Same kind of translation. Jim.

[Greynomad]

If you think the products are bad, have a look at the manuals and instructions. Also, it doesn’t matter where the product comes from. China or Europe. Same kind of translation. Jim.

Even the manuals for stuff made in USA need translation into English. Terminology is very different.

[Poor Boy]

Yes, but they speak a different kind of English than we do! They do not even know how to spell colour! Lol. Jim.

[BudP]

O my gosh! Now you will be telling me the correct spelling of "tire" is "tyre."

[Poor Boy]

No, but I am very tired, and am very retired! Just having fun. Have a great evening all. Jim.

[BudP]

Me too, Jim. Just having a little fun. Best-Bud

[Greynomad]

Yes, but they speak a different kind of English than we do! They do not even know how to spell colour! Lol. Jim.

Another good example. "Different" is always followed by "from". Not "to" nor "than". You are however correct with your spelling of colour. Just check an ENGLISH language dictionary, not that dumbed down Webster's.
Boy, we have fun in strange ways!

[Tony Hillyard]

Arnold, the same thing applies with forthcoming is now upcoming. So where does it come up from?

[Jeff/Illinois]

I wonder if the Chinese use this same crap in-country that they sell to the world, or if they hold a higher standard to quality for stuff THEY use??

My 25 year old USA made screen door handle/latch on the big garage still works great. My 2 year old Chinese made screen door handle/latch on the other garage just broke and fell apart in my hand this week.

Giant POS. How hi-tech is a garage door handle??

And all the new ones now come from.... ya wanna guess??

[Greynomad]

I wonder if the Chinese use this same crap in-country that they sell to the world, or if they hold a higher standard to quality for stuff THEY use??

My 25 year old USA made screen door handle/latch on the big garage still works great. My 2 year old Chinese made screen door handle/latch on the other garage just broke and fell apart in my hand this week.

Giant POS. How hi-tech is a garage door handle??

And all the news ones now come from.... ya wanna guess??

I have a friend (I know that's hard to believe!) who is a China supporter. One evening while discussing just this sort of thing, I gave him an example that had just happened to me.
I had bought an Australian made pair of shoes for $120 and wore them to work every day for a little more than a year. Let's say for the sake of this that I wore them for 60 weeks. By the time I had to replace them, an Australian made shoe was only a memory so I shopped around and found a Chinese pair on sale. Down from $90 to $60. My friend said "There you go, half price - much cheaper. I bought them and at 4 weeks, I had to repair them but by the time 6 weeks came around, they were irreparable. After some quick mental arithmetic, I asked him if the first ones cost $2 a week and the Chinese ones cost $10 a week, how could the Chinese ones be cheaper. The Australian ones were in fact only 20% of the cost of the Chinese ones.
He replied with silence.
IMO, too many people only look at the ticket price and ignore durability.

[rheacox]

That's what gets me, simple parts (or what should be simple parts) that fail almost immediately... Chinesium

I will say though, we often deal with a machine shop on mainland China. They do great work with the same lead time and almost 10x cheaper than another supplier we use in MA... but you need to give them very detailed prints, material specs, cleaning specs, etc.

Either way, it's sad that it's cheaper to farm parts out halfway around the world than it is to do business one state over.