Why this new forum?

[glentre]

Didn't know this forum existed and found it quite by accident so I joined to see what it's all about. I've been a member on the barn for almost four years with some 325 posts so I'm not a newbee. My handle there is Lona.

Seems like a shame to have two forums on the same subject. While I've read many very generalized comments on why this new site was formed, it seems like everybody is reluctant to give their real and honest reasons why they left the barn or were asked to leave and what were the problems there. Looks like some guys were censored or banned but I've never read why that happened. It would be enlightening if Mitch and others would be frank and plainly list their reasons. Because of limited time, I would prefer to be active on only one site and would want to select the better of the two for me. Why is this forum better than the barn and what would motivate someone to change? Over the past year, I have noticed some of the knowledgeable old timers are no longer participating on the barn and wondered why. I'm not criticizing in any way.......just very confused.

Glen

[Mitch]

Glen
Welcome to the VFF!!!

I think most of your questions and concerns would be better handled between the two of us through PM or Email whichever you prefer. I know i can clear up any of your confusion as to why the VFF was formed

Personally i like to have a choice of Lowes or Home depot when shopping. Having just one home center choice promotes gouging.

[CarlG]

Mitch, you should come to Anchorage. Home Depot and Lowes are right next door to each other. Some times I shop both stores on the same trip.

[tbirdtbird]

"Over the past year, I have noticed some of the knowledgeable old timers are no longer participating on the barn"

And, there must be a reason. But......

Perhaps the why is not as important as determining which forum has more to offer. Some would suggest to evaluate the content of this forum against the 4 yrs experience you have on the other and form your own conclusion.

Additionally it is not uncommon to have more than one forum for any given topic. For example, I belong to two entirely different HVAC (air conditioning) forums, and 2 Studebaker forums.

I had close to 4000 posts over there, and many others that are here now were well over 5-10 thousand or more.

To me the bottom line is to see where you fit best and determine which one offers the most help to the most people. Take a close look at the technical section, for starters, and if you are a fine point guy, check that out as well!

You'll be glad you looked around
Dave

[Mitch]

Glen,
If you have not seen this yet i copied it from another thread to here just as a preclude to our private discussion...
Let me know how you would like me to contact you!!!





"""""This forum was started to provide an ADDITIONAL place for the hobby to acquire information. We've had quality content from day ONE, thanks to our expert membership that we are so fortunate to have on board from the get go and their willingness to contribute and share proven knowledge & experiences. As that unsurpassed information grows more powerful and it IS, each and everyday the rest will take care of itself over time. The VFF has by FAR exceeded all my expectations since it's inception in April and has now IMO became a very huge asset for all. The camaraderie in this house has been great and this helps the new members coming in to feel right at home. We have picked up MAJOR steam recently i can see this on my site Analytics, but remember not everyone is a poster, some folks just like to lurk around and learn that way. If one wants to sign up and disappear that's their option (no sales pitches needed) but this site, its material and it's current active user base speaks VOLUMES for itself. There are many knowledgeable folks that cannot adapt to change which is understandable, but i have always and will continue to be here to assist in any way i can (just ask). Lately our internet search has improved GREATLY which sends us new lookers and i think they like what they see here.
Remember you folks are what make the VFF great not me,, i'm just a messenger from the Model A Gods to get back what we once had but better. Everyone deserves a fair shake and not a half cocked decision from the woodwork.
We're not even 6 months old yet and look what everyone here has accomplished..
It's simply AMAZING
I'm proud to be associated with each and every one of you""""

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Even though I'm Mitchs' "Dad", I still post on the BARN, I've been on there for nigh on to 11 YEARS! It's GOOD, to have a "CHOICE".---My MAIN Mission is to help folks, when they're in TROUBLE & hopefully, make someone LAFF!:rolling
Bill W.

[Mitch]

I think you had to much Jet Fuel already

[Jim Mason]

Signal to noise ratio is better here

[Curly]

I like the barn a lot. But I grow very tired of the "search" nazi's.

[Mitch]

Plus here you get a key ring

[Grit Kid]

OH!!! REALLY!!! A key ring?????????

[Mitch]

I gave Larry one for you at Gettysburg, maybe he forgot to give it to ya

[Grit Kid]

He must have...........

[CarlG]

Ed,
If Mitch won't give you one, I will send one to you. :rolling

[Grit Kid]

That's OK, Larry is coming over soon to take the rectum temperature of Sarah to see what ails her. He might bring me my key ring.....that is if he hasn't sold it on eBay!!!! ;)

[Mike V. Florida]

Ok, I'm lost, what is a "search" nazi"?

[dmdeaton]

As long as you all can put up with me I like it here. I always have lots of questions being a new Model A owner. Heck, yesterday I couldn't figure out how to open the radiator cap!
Being new here I have settled for some reason to posting this forum. I like to cruise the Barn and read some good info on there, but settled in here if that's ok.

[Mitch]

It's fun trying to help new owners learn about their cars. Thanks for sticking around,, this place is just getting revved up

[dmdeaton]

I have a good one tonight then, starting a new thread now on carbs.

[tbirdtbird]

we are on your side. The pros here are committed to providing solid info, and we want everyone to succeed. Ask all the questions you want, that is why the forum exists

[Grit Kid]

I come here for the emoji and I don't have to be a Model A expert mechanic to do so. If I wanted a Emoji wearing a Depends, Mitch would find me one, even if it meant one of him wearing his Depend!!!! :rolling He's da man!!!

[Beauford]

Here you know you are getting solid advice. Mitch like himself has recruited the best in the "A" world when you have a problem and are here to help solve it. I am living proof of receiving such knowledge. Most of the people here were the ones that helped me on the barn. I have a frame up restore with very little mechanical knowledge but thanks to these guys help I have a pretty nice driving car.

[Jeff/Illinois]

Exactly. This says it all.

I think all of us were getting tired of some of the nonsense on FB and the drama. No need to put that out front to be re-hashed again here. It's best we leave all that in the dust and pick up from here and enjoy the Model A ride.

What happens over on FB STAYS on FB. Vintage Ford Forum is a fresh start and here's hoping some of the very knowledgable guys that were no longer there because of X-Y-Z reasons will be back, here!

[Mitch]

Right on Jeff

[Mitch]

Glen
Since i have not heard from you i shot a PM your way

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Someone mentioned Key Rings, Mitch sent me some, a LOOOONG time ago. My KEYS are on one, under the CEMENT FROG, out front!---NO
Dad Welcome (Like, come on in, IF you kin git past my DOG!!)

[Ed H]

All the above.

[Tom Wesenberg]

The other site was supposed to be for restoring Model A's, but soon got taken over by some hot rod guys. Marco and some of the good knowledgeable guys left, and when Vince was banned for correcting some guy posting wrong information, that pretty well told me it was all downhill from there. Also when the owner of the other site said something to the effect of people who restore Model A's for points are nuts, then I was also ready for a better site. I still post a little on the other site, but only if I think I can help someone that really needs help, or if I see some information that could do damage or hurt someone.

A spirited debate isn't drama and shouldn't get people banned. Heck, even some of my good friends are Democrats, and I haven't banned them. LOL

[Mitch]

Tom you must be talking about this::::

[Mitch]

. Marco and some of the good knowledgeable guys left.

I had the pleasure of meeting Marco at the Gettysburg meet this year. He is well aware of the VFF but has had some very poor forum experiences in the past. I made it known that he is always welcome here and that this time it would be different. Who knows maybe one day we will all be lucky enough to have him back sharing his expertise with us and future A'ers.
One can only hope!!! (now i need a praying emoji)

[glentre]

Thanks to all who responded regarding problems on the barn and to Mitch who explained things more clearly in a PM to me. I was unaware of any bad feelings among the forum members there and that's why I started this thread. I now have a better understanding. I look forward to continuing my membership on VFF and being a meaningful contributor whenever I can.

Glen

[Mitch]

Glen i know i wrote this on another thread but let me do it again:

Welcome the the VFF!!

HAHA it was this thread. Lol :::"

[Steve Plucker]

The other site was supposed to be for restoring Model A's, but soon got taken over by some hot rod guys. Marco and some of the good knowledgeable guys left, and when Vince was banned for correcting some guy posting wrong information, that pretty well told me it was all downhill from there. Also when the owner of the other site said something to the effect of people who restore Model A's for points are nuts, then I was also ready for a better site. I still post a little on the other site, but only if I think I can help someone that really needs help, or if I see some information that could do damage or hurt someone.

A spirited debate isn't drama and shouldn't get people banned. Heck, even some of my good friends are Democrats, and I haven't banned them. LOL

Tom,

I agree with you 100 %...When Ryan would not let me update the Website STICKY that really pissed me off!

By the way Mitch...How do you go about highlighting something in Tom's quote above?

Pluck

[Mitch]

Pluck
Open the the advanced editor by clicking the ( A box) next to the smiley face and then highlight what you need to do. I think you can figure it out from there.

Or look at post #3 here

https://www.vintagefordforum.com/forum/questions-and-suggestions/feedback-area/1328-forum-posting-reading-and-picture-upload-tips

[Steve Plucker]

Thanks Mitch. Book on the way.

Pluck

[Mitch]

WOOOHOOO thanks Pluck

[BNCHIEF]

Steve you and I discussed adding tours and meets etc to inform people he wouldn't even reply to an e-mail, not to mention the other bs he has done if he is trying to kill the place he has a good start.

[Curly]

Heck, even some of my good friends are Democrats, and I haven't banned them. LOL

Democrats don't drive Model A's. They like Italian cars.

[Grit Kid]

I can say that on this forum there are NO games, gangs, bullies etc. --JUST ADULTS sharing information on their hobby. The VFF Sheriff does his duty --in a respectful manner.

ADULTS!!!!!!!! that means growing up, growing up means getting old and getting old is pure .

[DaWizard]

Just because I grow old, does NOT mean I HAVE to grow up!!

[ModelA Mike]

Growing old is not for sissy's

[Grit Kid]

True True but regardless...stay off my lawn you delinquent whippersnappers!!! ;)

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally posted by Tom Wesenberg View Post
The other site was supposed to be for restoring Model A's, but soon got taken over by some hot rod guys. Marco and some of the good knowledgeable guys left, and when Vince was banned for correcting some guy posting wrong information, that pretty well told me it was all downhill from there. Also when the owner of the other site said something to the effect of people who restore Model A's for points are nuts, then I was also ready for a better site. I still post a little on the other site, but only if I think I can help someone that really needs help, or if I see some information that could do damage or hurt someone.

A spirited debate isn't drama and shouldn't get people banned. Heck, even some of my good friends are Democrats, and I haven't banned them. LOL

Tom,

I agree with you 100 %...When Ryan would not let me update the Website STICKY that really pissed me off!

By the way Mitch...How do you go about highlighting something in Tom's quote above?

Pluck

I rarely post there anymore as well for the same sour taste experenced by the others. Member are not good enough anymore to post there but their information is good enough to keep. That is why the delete function is no longer there. They have to go but their informaion has to stay.

When Steve (Pluck), who has had information published in the national magazines, written a book and has been a contributor to the national Restoration guidelines and judging standards, is called out for causing "drama" it's time for a change and this is the change. What you might not know the other major forum ahoogha around the world used to be the number one site but the owner has driven it down to nearly nothing and have you noticed the amount of posts on the barn has dropped off?

[Jeff/Illinois]

Yeah I very very seldom look at Dale's site anymore, nothing going on there and yes the good ones have bailed

[Mitch]

So Glen in your original post you stated that you found this forum by accident.
May i ask how

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

On to BIGGER & BETTER things---Where's the Folks that need HELP???
Bill W.