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  • So you have an all original car...OK...

    So you have an all original car. Model T, A or whatever.

    You notice it needs a new backing plate, so you exchange the old one with a better one.

    Or you see that the chassis is just covered with old hard grease in many areas, so you decide to remove the body and really clean it up thus leaving much of the original paint as possible.

    Then you notice that there are a few bearings that need replaced...and so on and so on........

    I guess maybe you can see where I am going with this.

    SO...at what point do you consider if this car is being restored or just being fixed up thus not being restored?

    Where does one draw the line?

    Thanks.

    Pluck



  • #2
    Great question Steve, but I'm not so sure you can draw a hard line, because most of the time, unless you are fixing a booboo in the paint, any safety upgrade or repair is only what I would think to be maintenance.

    The way I see it, is if the PO was to really keep the car up, with regular maintenance, there wouldn't need to be anything done to the car in the way of restoration. It would be good as new, just with mileage.
    You wana look waaay far up da road and plan yer route because the brakes are far more of a suggestion than a command!

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    • #3
      Very good question, and I do not have the answer. The older the car gets the more little things will need to be done. To me and up grades would put you over the edge. General maintenance like it got in the day would be ok. No to new paint jobs maybe. I think to get the answer you would need to know how most people that have been dealing with old cars for a long time feel. Maybe there could be a percent of original?

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      • #4
        Since I can never make the claim that the delivery sedan is original. All I can claim is it is being assembled with the best correct and original parts that I have or that I can afford. So far all I am short is a good original radiator splash apron, one hood shelf (may be able to fix the one I have), one running board, mirror heads (adding a passenger side mirror) and the interior light switch. Wiring is of course repop as there was not there when I bought the body or chassis. Finding nice fenders was an interesting search, but very successful. Rod
        Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.

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        • #5
          Since I think I know what your intentions are with this post and while I applaud it I can tell you that even some of the cars judged as original unrestored are not what they seem. Since I do at times sell nice unrestored parts to some of them I am at times asked to not to disclose what or who I sell some of the parts to. That to me is a dead give away that the part or parts are going on cars judged as original unrestored. I do keep those things confidential as they ask. Is this cheating, not sure. But as soon as the part is changed the car is not original although all of the parts are. You be the judge. Personally I do not have a problem with it, but doing such at some point will allow a vehicle assembled around the best available parts with original paint and interior pieces to be judged as such. Rod
          Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.

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          • #6
            There are different original classifications:

            Original unmolested
            Original molested
            Original restored W repo parts
            Original restored W original parts
            Original restored W original restored parts

            I think if the body was lifted off the frame as mentioned above to clean the frame it would fall under original molested
            3 ~ Tudor's
            Henry Ford said
            "It's all nuts and bolts"


            Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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            • #7
              Mine hasn't been molested....it has been raped. LOL

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              • #8
                So changing backing plates with ones with more original paint, changing front bumpers with ones with more original plating or radiator shell inserts with one with better paint falls where in this? And who determines what has been changed? Owner? Judges? Just some general questions about this. Rod
                Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.

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                • Mitch
                  Mitch commented
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                  Hey i'm no expert or final say of anything it's just my opinion. What you mentioned it would still be original unmolested.

              • #9
                I have an original '50 Willys Jeepster. Bought it at 20K and now at 35K. I am the third owner and I knew the first 2 and even the dealership it came from.
                It has been appropriately service by the first 2 owners and myself. New points, tires, brakes, etc when needed. This is necessary maintenance. I am trying hard NOT to repaint it, but at some point that iz gonna have to happen in order to continue to preserve it.

                Anyway, as far as I am concerned right now it is still an original car.

                I was at a show once and I had a sign on the window , ID the year and the make etc and said 25K original miles.
                A wise-axx walks by and vehemently shouts to all his friends, "know what that means? It means it even has the original fan belt."

                You can draw your own conclusions

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