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  • Define Frame-off Restoration

    Why is it called "frame-off restoration"? I don't understand how a frame can be taken off, or what it is taken off of. The wheels, yes. The body, yes. But not the frame. It can't be taken off of anything.

    Can anyone explain where this term came from? And why it is used? I understand the meaning behind it, but not the choice of words.

    Shouldn't it be "body-off restoration"?

    Is it just stupid people copying other stupid people? Or is there a real reason for the odd choice of words? Cuz maybe I'm the stupid person!
    Ray White
    - 1929 Sport Coupe
    - 1929 Closed Cab Pickup

    Model A Technical Trivial Quizzes:
    http://sthosted.com/judging/index.html

  • #2
    Ray,

    To-may-to, To-mot-to.. But I think "frame off " just stuck in usage... and no you're not stupid.. You made some great model A videos --and can you make some more ;)

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    • Curly
      Curly commented
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      Potato salad, tater salad.

  • #3
    "Shouldn't it be "body-off restoration"?"

    Of course. I have heard 'frame -up' also, which is more accurate. Just the way ppl word things

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    • #4
      On newer cars do they not remove the frame from the body, restore the body, then roll the frame back under? Maybe we should ask an English Teacher :-)

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      • #5
        Off frame is the better way. Toe-may-toe, toe-ma-toe!

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        • #6
          "frame up"
          3 ~ Tudor's
          Henry Ford said
          "It's all nuts and bolts"


          Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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          • #7
            I've seen the use of the term "body-off restoration" in the past but it doesn't appear to be used very often. At least "ground up" sounds like a more total restoration than "frame up" since that could mean the chassis was not included. Big Hammer has it right, consult an English Teacher.

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            • #8
              Frame off = Wallet empty. Unfortunately not all wallets start with equal fill therefore not all frame-off jobs are equal in quality.

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              • BNCHIEF
                BNCHIEF commented
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                Great description Mike and darn true as well,not to mention various types of frame up such as Mitch said driver frame up is much different for a driver as it would be for a car like Mitch's or Marks. I build a motor I paint everything look at Marks post on raven finish and it sort of explains what I am talking about.

            • #9
              Frame off the ground. Now let’s get on to your profile picture. That yellow forestry truck is cool! Is it yours?

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              • #10
                It was started by the same guy that started "A400". LOL

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                • #11
                  Originally posted by Curly View Post
                  Frame off the ground. Now let’s get on to your profile picture. That yellow forestry truck is cool! Is it yours?
                  Yep, not ready for the junkyard yet. Definitely ready for a "frame off" resto.

                  Ray White
                  - 1929 Sport Coupe
                  - 1929 Closed Cab Pickup

                  Model A Technical Trivial Quizzes:
                  http://sthosted.com/judging/index.html

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                  • Mitch
                    Mitch commented
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                    Nice Ray
                    It's perfect just the way it is and i love your winch set up

                  • DaWizard
                    DaWizard commented
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                    Hey Ray, I only have one question. Do you remove the headlights to get the rope off?

                    Great truck, but you may want to downsize that trailer behind it a wee bit!

                  • Curly
                    Curly commented
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                    I love that truck just how it is. The discussion of these trucks, how many were made, where they were used, what years they were done, this would be a great discussion on its own. Was your used as a forestry truck?

                  • CarlG
                    CarlG commented
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                    Hmmmm. Interesting that a "Government" vehicle is sporting a political message.

                • #12
                  Originally posted by newshirt View Post

                  Is it just stupid people copying other stupid people?
                  YES!
                  Bill
                  http://www.brauchauto.com/
                  Eastern Connecticut

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                  • #13

                    STUPID terms ABOUND! Like, MONKEY hear, MONKEY say! We used to say, "FIXIN' IT UP" We're surrounded by stupid ACRONYMS. When I hear the name of an ORGANIZATION, my "brain" automatically changes it to an ACRONYM!
                    When some are sellin' a car, they say, "OLDER RESTORATION" as if that's something SPECIAL??? What they REALLY mean is that it "might" be rusting & peeling???
                    Dad Suspicious

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                    • #14
                      I always questioned a newer car that was a unibody car like a Mustang, not having a full perimeter frame, as being advertised as having a 'frame-off' or body-off' restoration.

                      How do dey do DAT????? !!!!!

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                      • Mitch
                        Mitch commented
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                        They have a front cradle so that's still frame off LOL

                    • #15
                      Ya, anything goes... Like food companies can label just about anything as healthy.

                      It comes down to questions.

                      What got replaced and to what standards.

                      Just because the frame came off and everything was taken apart does not mean anything was actually rebuilt or any new parts put in place.

                      I am sure if we wanted to go into "restored car" stories this thread would get real long.

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                      • Mitch
                        Mitch commented
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                        Kevin Welcome it's good to see you here

                        Your knowledge will be a great asset to the growth of the VFF

                        Where is Kurt?

                    • #16
                      "Older Restoration" I think i hear that phrase the most.
                      3 ~ Tudor's
                      Henry Ford said
                      "It's all nuts and bolts"


                      Mitch's Auto Service ctr

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                      • #17
                        Originally posted by Mitch View Post
                        "frame up"
                        or "off frame"

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                        • #18
                          I am working on getting him here. He is slow on this stuff.

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