Need pictures or books

[Beauford]

I don't know where to bolt these splash shields. I see a logical hole at the very end but at the front you have two holes for each tab that comes off frame that the shield matches perfectly. At this point I just have the shields on as the front fenders have not come in. Also, what is the big round whole in the top center in shield for? It over shoots the frame rail. It is very hard when vendors send hardware for the complete fender/running board kit and it is all mixed together in one bag for someone who has only been in a running "A" once. There has to be a detailed book out there, no?

[Mitch]

Henry Ford once said It's all nuts and bolts :p;):

[Beauford]

yeah and I have a [email protected]#$ing box of them. I'll do what makes sense to me...I'm sure there will be some left overs. LOL I have the hardware book. It's lists size and what it goes to but not location....it will just be a longer process.

[Mitch]

bring it to the MARC meet, the boys and girls will slap it together for ya. FREE and you can drive it home

[Beauford]

HAHA...that would be a great project for everyone!

[Dennis]

Are your splash aprons repro or used? There should be a hole in the frame, 1/4" for the front corner of your apron. Also the hole at the rear of the apron 1/4" should match to the frame just in front of rear mount. I'll look for some pictures of mine when I had the body lifted. If you think that will help. You won't have a body mount going through the rear of the apron if you're putting together a pickup.

[Beauford]

Thanks Dennis, yes they are repro. The only holes in the front of apron are the two each on the two offset brackets from the frame. apron lines up with them well. There is a hole in the rear near corner that lines up as perfect. Yes, I'm a huge picture guy and would help if you have one. Thank you!!

[Dennis]

Ok those 2 holes are where you have body mounts just forward of the cross member. The rest of the mount for the body your apron is notched. That big hole on the apron you asked about I believe is where your speedo clamp bolt goes.They just provide clearance for it as it doesn't go through the apron. Your apron can slide on and off without lifting the body except where those 2 holes are for the outside of the frame bracket. And at that the body only needs to be raised enough to let the apron slide out. That hole in your front of the apron can be wherever or how much the size of the notch is at the rear. That might be a good enough reason to wait for your front fender before you drill that hole. One of our club members bought repro splash aprons for his Tudor... lot of cussing and swearing from my understanding. Sorry but I don't envy you but hey stay with it you're doing a great job without knowing how it is supposed to be put together.

[Dennis]

The first pic is a view of the drivers side apron bottom of pic. Notice oval hole, is one of 1/4" bolt holes for the apron to frame only.
Second pic shows 1/4" bolt in middle of picture that goes through the fender and also the front corner of the apron.
Third pic shows farthest forward body mount bolt just rear of engine mount. The apron is notched in this area.

[Dennis]

Ok I see you have the oval hole at the rear, but I don't see the hole at front of apron that is shared with the front fender. Maybe they didn't punch it because of variation. Look at the frame it should be there. That bolt might be, a long it seems, 1/4" dia fine thread with the head of the bolt taking a 3/8" wrench. You should find that in your hardware book if you have patience.

Just remembered you're going to have holes for your hood shelf in the splash apron also. Those you should wait til you get the fenders and body on. Those have the hood latches and the hood latches for yours are the ones with 3 holes in the bracket. Wood blocks under the shelf where the brackets go. Only 2 of the holes go all of the way through the splash apron and fender. Look under your apron there should be a small bracket on the outside of the frame where those go. The front latch holes go through the top of the frame itself. You need the body and radiator mounted I think so you know where to locate the hood shelf. Even the hood so your latches center up to the hood brackets.

[Beauford]

Thanks Dennis. So my hardware book states there are only two bolts for side aprons. The lone one in the rear looks to be a good place. Where on the two frame brackets would I add the other bolt? Forward most bracket or one behind it? Sorry for all the question. I think you are right on drilling the hole which I've only marked thus yet. I think someone would make decent money going through the whole building with just the body, fenders and such in a book with color pics and hardware used in each step...I would do it if I knew. LOL

[Dennis]

Here's why you really need your fenders before you drill holes in your apron.

[tbirdtbird]

those aprons are held in place pretty well at the front and the rear. On one build we did we skipped the 2 small bolts on the top into the frame rail so we could move things around easier when it came time to install the front and rear fenders, etc. Once those top 2 bolts are in, and the body is on, good luck moving it around

[Beauford]

On my aprons the only bolt holes are on the two brackets. (two holes on each bracket) which one receives the front bolt?

[Dennis]

That is true, but you have a slotted hole at the end of the rear down by the rear fender. Do you see a 1/4" hole in the frame. If so just put a bolt with washer and nut and lock washer on loose. Done for now. I'd wait for those fenders before proceeding.

[Beauford]

Ok...since I just have aprons on chassis and that's it I now get it. The front bolt goes through both apron and fender. I don't have the front fenders yet so couldn't see that. I'm at work now and will have to see if I have that hole.

[Dennis]

Ok so lets back up and look at those brackets underneath with the 2 holes. First pic is underneath side. Second pic is those bolts top side and they are body mount bolts, 3/8" carriage bolts. Do you have a body yet? Can't put anything in those until you have a body.

I went to your other thread on spare tire mount and see in the first pic you have holes lined up with the bracket holes. Yes that looks correct and you actually have 2 brackets with 2 holes in each. The bracket just in front of your engine mount is for the hood shelf. screws for the hood latch go through there.

[Dennis]

Look at the outside of your frame just forward of where you engine mount is. Small bracket for the hood shelf. The pic shows the hood shelf indicated with the white X. White arrows point to the hood latches. Red arrow points to the location where your frame bracket is underneath the apron.

[Beauford]

Now we are talking! Yes, I have a body and bed. '29 Roadster P/U. I think I'm better understanding now. I have a bolt in rear oval and when I mount body the first bracket looking forward will take my carriage bolts.

[Beauford]

It that a fresh engine in your pic? Nice paint!

[Dennis]

No, inframe overhaul. Babbitt was good with .0015 clearance so it was cleaned up inside out, masked and painted.

[Beauford]

Dennis, I have all the apron and cab mounting figured out but that only leaves me with two bolts and I still will need the bed on. Do you know how many bolt for the bed? I would assume at least four. Thanks again for your help!

[Dennis]

Can't help you there, don't have a pickup or access to one nearby.

[Beauford]

No problem...just trying to figure out this gig saw puzzle LOL

[Rowdy]

Four bolts for the bed. Somewhere on Bob Johnsons website there are restoration pics of a pickup. Rod

http://www.modelahouse.com/cgi-bin/pictures?pickups.txt

[Beauford]

Thanks Rowdy...I wonder why the "authorized" bolt kit only contains 12 bolts. There are 5 on each side for cab which leaves be two...guess I'll make another order.

[Rowdy]

Actually ony two that go through the frame and wood and 2 that go through the filler panel lip in the fender area and the wood. When you see your wood blocks and the bottom of the box etc. it will make sense. Rod

[Beauford]

If I see a hole a bolt is going in....LOL